Thread: Sadly, 176 people have died in air crash in Iran

Originally Posted by p38arover

What I don't understand from photos I've seen of the alleged remnants of the nose of the missile is why it just seems to have been placed where it is. There's no disturbed earth that I'd expect to see from something hitting the ground at speed.

Eliot Higgins on Twitter: "Second image (right) of Tor anti-aircraft missile debris, supposedly from near the #PS752 crash site. Still unverified, and still going to be very hard to geolocate it based on what's visible in the image. h/t @Liberalist_30… https://t.co/1EKijopLbU"

Yes, the photos I saw looked a bit staged. Maybe not. Hard to know.

Originally Posted by goingbush

Lets face facts,
Accident or no accident, the Aircraft would not have been shot down if Trump had not assassinated General Soleimani .

No fan of trump at all but really? what about proper command and control ?iofiraian airspace with their radar systemsf it was a US attack it wouldnt have taken off from tehran airport ....it would gsve been incoming and seen by any decent radar system and monitored and dealt with before it got that far inside their terrority.

Originally Posted by sashadidi

No fan of trump at all but really? what about proper command and control ?iofiraian airspace with their radar systemsf it was a US attack it wouldnt have taken off from tehran airport ....it would gsve been incoming and seen by any decent radar system and monitored and dealt with before it got that far inside their terrority.

Up until that crash Qantas was flying through Iran on its Perth - London route , could just as easily been a Qantas flight that was shot down .

I wonder how the missile operator decided that a plane which was taking off from the airport was actually attacking.

From discussions on line, these systems have an auto mode - "fire on contact". This may have been switched on due to poor training or carelessness.

I note that all the news services outside Iran now seem to regard the "five eyes" intelligence explanation as more likely than Iran's "technical fault". It is difficult to think of a technical fault that would cause immediate loss of all communications. The only explanations would seem to be either an on-board explosion or a missile. Note that an on board explosion could conceivably have been inappropriate cargo rather than a bomb, but this seems only marginally more likely than a technical fault.

Originally Posted by johntins

Can't help wondering about that point of impact.

Bloke says "See ya later Darls" (in Iranian of course) & goes off with his hoe, basket & watering can to tidy up his little veggie patch. All of a sudden he gets flattened by the nose cone of stricken 737 (assuming it came down nose first which it appears it may have done) No spuds for Darls that night nor ever after Gunga Din.

I mean how arsey can one get?

Originally Posted by JDNSW

From discussions on line, these systems have an auto mode - "fire on contact". This may have been switched on due to poor training or carelessness.

I note that all the news services outside Iran now seem to regard the "five eyes" intelligence explanation as more likely than Iran's "technical fault". It is difficult to think of a technical fault that would cause immediate loss of all communications. The only explanations would seem to be either an on-board explosion or a missile. Note that an on board explosion could conceivably have been inappropriate cargo rather than a bomb, but this seems only marginally more likely than a technical fault.

The third option, John, is a sudden and catastrophic breakup (structural failure) of the aircraft. That's extremely unlikely (on a B737, at least). They are literally built like tanks. In any instance a sudden breakup could only be the result of an explosion.

Heres a conspiracy theory, has anyone confirmed the pieces on the ground are actually 737-NG parts, that thing on the ground in the YouTube clip with the Ukranian logo is presumably the Vertical Stabiliser, it has detail differences to 737-800 / NG VS images on google . I wonder if Iran hijaked the aircraft & disabled the black box / comms / transponder & had the crash site prepared earlier ??