Thread: Sadly, 176 people have died in air crash in Iran

It looks like heads will roll in the Iranian airspace unit, which will strengthen the hand of the moderates against the extremists, so that could be good.

'I wished I was dead': Iranian airspace unit accepts 'full responsibility' for downed Ukrainian plane
Iran commander says requests to shut down country's airspace denied ahead of Ukraine plane crash - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

‘They killed our sons and daughters’: anger rises in Iran over Flight 752

‘They killed our sons and daughters’: anger rises in Iran over Flight 752 | World news | The Guardian

Originally Posted by bob10

The Revolutionary Guard are known for being loose. Brave, but ill disciplined and poorly trained. And prone to getting over excited.

But with no imagination.


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Originally Posted by PhilipA

I love the Post Modern Moral equivalency.

One mentioned is VC of the USA, the other is a terrorist responsible for thousands of lives lost through terrorist support including arming Hezbollah.

Actors like this are armed enemies and should have been treated the same as any terrorist years ago.

I was gobsmacked by Kilcullen saying they just let Iranians go when they were caught with their terrorist group.
Isn't a rule for police to try and get the "kingpin?"

So the USA has for years bent over backwards to try to dissuade the Iranians, to no avail until now.

Regards PhilipA

You are looking at it through red white and blue glasses. Look at it through Iranian eyes, you may get another perspective. I won't condone either the USA, or Iran. One's as bad as the other. But as Mick said, the moderates may get stronger now. Go at it your way, you will just perpetuate the violence. What's needed here are level heads, and move forward. This conversation is moving away from ' flight'. perhaps we should let it go.

The US and Iran are NOT on the same level at all, The Iranians are FAR worse and if you believe otherwise then I feel sorry for you .
Even the Iranian people are terrified of their own government, I very much doubt that that is the case in the US.
The "accidental" shooting down of this aircraft and the subsequent loss of 176 INNOCENT lives just goes to show the complete lack of Empathy on behalf of the Iranian armed forces.
At the altitude the plane was shot down from even blind Freddy could tell that it was a civilian aircraft and NOT a military plane and yet they shot it down anyway.
Bloody Unforgivable in my personal opinion.

Originally Posted by johntins

It's fascinating to me how quickly people jump to blame Trump for EVERYTHING. It doesn't matter what.

Sorry, JT, I beg to differ.

Trump would be 75% with the remaining 25% attributed to Climate Change,

Originally Posted by trout1105

At the altitude the plane was shot down from even blind Freddy could tell that it was a civilian aircraft and NOT a military plane

At 4,600 ft (above ground). In the dark (0615 hrs)?

Originally Posted by trout1105

The US and Iran are NOT on the same level at all, The Iranians are FAR worse and if you believe otherwise then I feel sorry for you .
Even the Iranian people are terrified of their own government, I very much doubt that that is the case in the US.
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This!
I had an Iranian friend at my old work, sitting chillin having a 'chrissy' period beer after work.
The story he told us of his woes .. not falling into line with government brainwashing cost him some family members, a business, and eventually fleeing to Aus.
All because he was apathetic towards politics and religion.
Now it wasn't the actual government .. who predominantly does care one iota for the population, but it's the government directives, messages to local religious leaders to make sure that the civvies fall into line in totality.
If not, basically persecution.
The way he described it, so that we can understand it, is that national govt policy is <insert whatever fanatical directive here>, this is filtered down to what amounts to council leaders.
Council leaders have personal vendettas to pursue, in effect, what they like to say and do, is like a law unto itself, so makes for a dogs breakfast of the government policy directives.
So the actual issue is that there are no checks and balances on the council leaders revenge biases against whoever.

Hence we have monumental humanitarian catastrophes, simply because some jealous/vengeful bastard in 'local religious leadership' .. which leads to what most far right followers see as too much foreign immigration .. and boat people sagas.

Anyhow, the sooner the yanks get themselves out of the mid east, the quicker the mid east states will begin the process of obliterating each other with their own micro wars, and eventually the area will quieten down at some point in the future.

You are looking at it through red white and blue glasses. Look at it through Iranian eyes, you may get another perspective.

Er like the perspective of the 300 demonstrators killed by the Iranian leadership in November ?

Let me know when 300 or say 1000 USA citizens on a population basis are killed at a demo.
Regards PhilipA