Reports of a large air tanker crash in NSW

**travelrover** · 23rd January 2020, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by 101RRS

No other information given so still a bit early to speculate but they did say it it was on fire as it came down.

That’s significant!

**Blknight.aus** · 23rd January 2020, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by travelrover

Just an observation, today most of the aerial assets do not have their transponders enabled so you can track via Flightradar24 which is unusual

not so unusual, flight radar apps on your phone work in conjunction with known planned flights, if its something un or out of scheduled it wont always show up... occasionally in busy airports you'll get the wrong plane info if

1. the plane you want is scheduled to be late but has made up time and the DB isnt updated
2. the plane you're looking at is arriving on the same flight path/time as the original late schedule of the plane you wanted to find out about.

From the app page

Flightradar24 combines data from several data sources including ADS-B, MLAT and radar data. The ADS-B, MLAT and radar data is aggregated together with schedule and flight status data from airlines and airports to create a unique flight tracking experience on Flightradar24: Live Flight Tracker - Real-Time Flight Tracker Map and in Flightradar24 apps.

**4bee** · 23rd January 2020, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by travelrover

That’s significant!

Maybe it was one of those Laser Bursts from space that they were on about, so instead of it starting another bushfire, it hit the Herc. instead.?

DiscoMick · 23rd January 2020, 06:54 PM

One source says it disappeared at 1.30 pm while flying over Namadgi NP near Canberra.

**bemm52** · 23rd January 2020, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by 4bee

Maybe it was one of those Laser Bursts from space that they were on about, so instead of it starting another bushfire, it hit the Herc. instead.?

Laser Bursts...........what’s all this about haven’t heard a thing.....surely not true

Cheers Paul

**Eevo** · 23rd January 2020, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by bemm52

Laser Bursts...........what’s all this about haven’t heard a thing.....surely not true

Cheers Paul

yeah, its to allow a high speed rain system to be laid between melb and syd.

**p38arover** · 24th January 2020, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Eevo

yeah, its to allow a high speed rain system to be laid between melb and syd.

Slow rain is better, it allows the water to soak in.

**Eevo** · 24th January 2020, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by p38arover

Slow rain is better, it allows the water to soak in.

ha, must of been a fraudian slip.

**4bee** · 24th January 2020, 08:08 AM

Laser Bursts...........what’s all this about haven’t heard a thing.....surely not true

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I doubt the Herc would have had a Smart Meter or two on it's Switchboard but hey, yer never know with AGL.

Why are China, Russia & the USA & who knows who else, developing 'Space Forces/Commands'. Think on.

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**Hugh Jars** · 24th January 2020, 11:45 AM

Just to clear a few myths:

The Herc is perfectly suited for the tasking that was being carried out. They routinely operate tactical navs at very low level. That's their bread and butter. THAT's what they are designed for. They normally fly lower than some of the altitudes they have been operating at while firefighting.

The fire fighting aircraft ARE required to use their transponders if fitted. In controlled airspace they will have a discrete code assigned by ATC. Outside controlled airspace they will use a generic code.

Flight following apps use ADSB to track aircraft, NOT SS radar. Not all aircraft have ADSB, and that is why they don't pop up on Flightaware, etc.

Military aircraft are no different to civil, in the sense of the requirement for transponder fitment and usage in civil airspace. Some may not have ADSB, once again, the reason for them not being visible on apps. Usually (and I say usually), when flying in formation, only the lead has his transponder on to avoid clutter on radar screens.

Every time I've flown in military airspace, all known military traffic have popped up on TCAS (and some unknown). That uses transponders if you have TCAS. Mode C will be visible on TCAS, but RA's will not be coordinated as they would be if both are fitted with mode S.

Who knows what caused the prang? It could be any of a thousand reasons...

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