Thread: Door comes off in flight.

Originally Posted by BradC

Honestly? Emirates was covering for them with A380 faults. I was playing in a band with one of the senior safety crew for Emirates. Some of the photos I saw of A380 engineering and electrical systems would leave you cold. Did they fix it? Yes, eventually. But Airbus were covered by the airline because they needed to "save face" and the Arabs are part of that crew.

Did any of them crash due to Airbus trying to save costs on pilot recertification like Boeing's 737 MAX did with Lion Air 610 or Ethiopian Airlines 302, at the cost of 346 lives?

The question was

As for Airbus, when was the last time they had an entire family of aircraft grounded?

. I don't believe you have answered it.

I never said Airbus was perfect. Who is?

It should be said that I'm not anti Boeing as an entity (my two most recent flights were in 737s. I didn't try to change that). I AM, however, against the utterly pathetic culture that is rife there.

Originally Posted by Tins

Did any of them crash due to Airbus trying to save costs on pilot recertification like Boeing's 737 MAX did with Lion Air 610 or Ethiopian Airlines 302, at the cost of 346 lives?

The question was . I don't believe you have answered it.

I never said Airbus was perfect. Who is?

It should be said that I'm not anti Boeing as an entity (my two most recent flights were in 737s. I didn't try to change that). I AM, however, against the utterly pathetic culture that is rife there.

I never said Airbus was perfect. Who is?

er, you rang Sir?

Originally Posted by 4bee

er, you rang Sir?

I think a burned out fridgie was the last thing Aloha needed.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

I think a burned out fridgie was the last thing Aloha needed.

Cooling probably wasn't the top priority.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Undoubtedly - I did not mean to criticise the passenger - just that if it was obvious to a passenger, how did the aircrew and maintenance personnel manage to miss it? The accident report suggests that part of the reason was that maintenance was all done at night, presumably because most flying was daytime.

It is reminiscent of the occasion many years ago where the cook on board a steamer complained to the captain about a crack in the galley deck. When his report was ignored he started marking the date at the end of the crack each day.

Some weeks later, the ship broke in two. Fortunately for science, the half with the dates on it remained floating, and this provided just about the only well documented example of the rate of progress of a fatigue crack in a large structure.

Was that a 'Liberty'. ship ?

- They had issues with (design) fatigue cracks along one of the cargo hatches, and instances of deliberate cheating on joints, filling the gaps with several unused rods and covered over with an impressive looking but deadly weak weld.

No surprise welders back then were paid by the number of rods they withdrew from Stores !

In fairness, the ships were only expected to last a couple of convoys at best...

Originally Posted by superquag

Was that a 'Liberty'. ship ?

- They had issues with (design) fatigue cracks along one of the cargo hatches, and instances of deliberate cheating on joints, filling the gaps with several unused rods and covered over with an impressive looking but deadly weak weld.

No surprise, welders back then were paid by the number of rods they withdrew from Stores !

In fairness, the ships were only expected to last a couple of convoys at best...

As were the merchant crews.


Also as the venerable JEEP & other stuff.

SS Richard Montgomery Wreck.
SS Richard Montgomery: background information - GOV.UK


It was a weird feeling being on the Ferry from Holland & I really thought passing by that one would be the day in history that she'd let go big time, & just my cotton picki'n luck but no, I am still here,but the experts say it will go off one day so have cancelled any further visits to the UK for now. The predicted damage it will cause is certainly beyond comprehension. I read somewhere that the UK govt was offering 1 million pounds to any brave lads who would unload her but with a rusting superstructure falling to pieces as they keep saying "The slightest movement blah blah blah".

More.Historian warns of sunken WW2 ship packed with tons of TNT in Thames | Evening Standard

Originally Posted by superquag

Was that a 'Liberty'. ship ?

- They had issues with (design) fatigue cracks along one of the cargo hatches, and instances of deliberate cheating on joints, filling the gaps with several unused rods and covered over with an impressive looking but deadly weak weld.

No surprise welders back then were paid by the number of rods they withdrew from Stores !

In fairness, the ships were only expected to last a couple of convoys at best...

I'd have to go back and read the materials text book to be sure, but I think that would be correct.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

I'd have to go back and read the materials text book to be sure, but I think that would be correct.

This... another Liberty Ship makes it's mark...

Anatomy of a disaster: the Bombay Docks Explosion - The National Archives blog

My Old Man was Bombay Harbour Salvage Wallah, and was standing nearby when it went bang. Never found anything of the bloke with him, and he woke up in a rail wagon full of corpses ! Lost hearing in one ear...

There was a book written afterwards, imaginatively titled. "Bombay Explosion".