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    4WD Action gets with the program

    OK so I am board, its wet, I have spent all my money on Jeep bits, full floating rear D44 axles from our mate Barry at Hi-Tough
    (You want then that big?? Said Barry, Yup 40mm! says me {35 spline = 1½”})
    and a rare as rocking horse poo 250 2v XW falcon motor, almost factory fitment to the 1962 – 1966 CJ6. (Latest moment of weakness )

    So here I am perusing the latest 4WD Action Mag, No Land Rovers at Levuka yet, how slow is this Mag…

    But there is an interesting Locker Comparo

    Best Rear Locker - - - Bogey old Detroit.

    Let me quote (whilst I do a bit of I told ya so)
    Then we get to the age old question – auto or manual locker?
    If you’d asked us before the test, we’d say that a rear manual locker is a great thing, but after driving the Detroit, we were so impressed with its ability to deliver traction off-road and be mild-mannered on the tarmac.
    Front auto lockers [sic] NO! {snip}
    You can’t argue with a manual lockers ability to completely engage when you need it, and completely disengage when you don’t. The downfall is that often you’ll find yourself stuck before you go for the locker, unlike an auto locker that is always ready to deliver traction.
    The other thing we found is that it’s often at the most crucial times that you need to take your hands off the wheel to engage the locker – another problem auto lockers don’t face.

    Paraphrasing now
    Turning circle with locker is also greatly effected with a manual locker engaged, the Auto, is auto so it lets go and does not affect the turning circle.

    I have found even having just the rear engaged is a problem at such places as Rosemary’s at Levuka, (not the place to be fumbling for switches or Manual Lockers who refuse to disengage)
    You climbed the hill but can’t make the turn at the top. This does not happen with Mr Detroit.

    It is a shame that they did not test the Ox Locker, it works very simply with a cable.
    Also don’t even think about a Lunchbox locker like the 4WD Systems Lokka (no matter how cheep it is), it takes the whole load when locked through the cross pins, not good, see the 4WD Action DVD.
    The other thing not mentioned is the price. Detroit is about half the cost of the ARB.

    I have owned most the lockers tested (except the TJM Pro-Locker and Lokka Systems) and I agree with the author of the 4WD Action article,
    A Detroit is the greatest thing off-road I have owned
    It’s what I miss the most, jumping out of the Jeep into the Disco... that... and not having so much roof.
    (Range Rovers are great mate woof, though I would get in first before Darth arranged his RRC’s again)

    So my preferred Rover setup is a Maxi Front and Detroit Rear. IMHO

    Their you go now everybody has something to do Sunday, think up way to shoot me down.

    May your Rover be with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CheekyD1 View Post
    OK so I am board, its wet, I have spent all my money on Jeep bits, full floating rear D44 axles from our mate Barry at Hi-Tough


    Their you go now everybody has something to do Sunday, think up way to shoot me down.

    May your Rover be with you.
    mmmm how to shoot you down?

    I can't comment on the detroit as I've never used/owned one. I suppose the closest thing I've had would be the viscus coupling that came standard in my rangie. I found it great in the short time it was fitted. It was similar in principle to what you're discussing. Auto CDL vs Manual CDL - although I don't think I would swap back from the LT230, ie manual CDL. Both have advantages and disadvantages.

    Back to shooting you down.

    First sentence - are you board or bored. I would suggest that you are actually bored and not board.

    &

    "Their you go now everybody has something to do Sunday"

    Also use there with the verb BE (is, am, are, was, were) to indicate the existence of something, or to mention something for the first time

    Use their to indicate possession. It is a possessive adjective and indicates that a particular noun belongs to them


    OK not much of a shoot down, but had to at least show something for my years at uni
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyG View Post


    OK not much of a shoot down, but had to at least show something for my years at uni
    You had to go to Uni to learned that? I vaguely remember them trying to teach similar in school, their, there, which witch, etc

    Meh, I failed year 10, school wasn't for me

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    I new that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rovercare View Post
    You had to go to Uni to learned that? I vaguely remember them trying to teach similar in school, their, there, which witch, etc

    Meh, I failed year 10, school wasn't for me
    Yes I learnt it at school but it was also included in some of my subjects at Uni.
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    Just why are Detroit – No Slip Lockers so Good?

    A manual Locker is a gross device, its all or nothing over a relatively large period of time.
    The light has gone off on the ARB switch but the locker can still be engaged for much longer, common problem to all air-leakers.
    (not to mention the times it refuses to engage or worse disengage )

    A Detroit by comparison can be in and out several times a second. As required.

    How do you really know When to have the locker in or out?
    Mr Detroit knows; he is at the axle for you, ready to allow disconnection if no slippage is happening or immediately full on locked if an axle begins to slip.

    This is really useful on a winding, slippery track, like Dingo’s at Levuka. When you get to the turn Mr Detroit disengages and allows the turn to happen like it’s not locked; then when you boot it for the rest of the hill, full traction is automatically and immediately there for you.

    The only issue I have with the method of testing to destruction that 4WD Action did. Is that it did not test the Lockers where they live, in a diff housing.
    Most of the destructive failures I have experienced with Air-Leakers is that they either move or spin in the housing, munching up the air line.
    I would have loved to see the test rig twisting the axle flange with a diff centre, containing the locker, fixed at the other end. This is the way the forces work in the truck.
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    Lockers

    First up i'll say that I am more than happy with my Maxi's and they have never let me down. To be honest I cannot think of a time when having the rear diff locked has got me in trouble turning or manouvering etc.

    I did have a Detroit in the rear of my old 2 door many years ago but is was an old Detroit, in or out. Traversing slippery side slopes was utter madness. Never again.

    To be fair I would like to try these new Detroits as they have come along way and are proporsional in the way they share the drive (I think this is correct). If its anything like the True Trac in the rear of my Ssanyong work ute its not bad.

    Justin

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    Darth, Darth, Darth

    A Jedi’s force flows though the Detroit
    All good Padiwans know that to unlock the Detroit, off the throttle, you must back
    Seduced by the dark side, he must be, too many Torques he must have.
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