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Holey Crap!!
One demonstration of how it should be done and 1 of how not to.
What concerns me is that these ..... (I cant find the right adjective to describe these morons) are proud of their achievement to the extent they are using it to advertise their business. If they put as much care and thought into their customer cars as the do to their own lives when out on the track, then make your own conclusions.
I'm surprised I am able to post here, but needed to rant! Thanks
Ian
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Idiots.
Shamo
As a responsible Jeep owner, OK who was laughing?
I don’t approve of the guy in the “Ugly Wrangler” effort at the hill once called impossible.
The owner / driver of the first car is Michael Bowen, who did a tremendous job to crawl his early Cherokee Chief up previously impossible hill.
I had the pleasure of following Michael and his chief around Coffs several weeks ago. We did the power lines track, broken and looked / walked Koala. (Koala is beyond extreme now)
Michael is a very professional trip leader / event organizer (he had over 200 vehicles at his event this year) and a great driver himself, spending all of his time running around trying to avoid such incidents.
We were firmly told that we could not attempt Koala.
Michael had a chat to me regarding the guy in the “Ugly Wrangler” (it’s actually a CJ7) apparently the main problem with his initial attempt was that the motor was not running smoothly, misfiring ect.
In a fit of push on regardless the “driver” (I use the term loosely) compensated by using loads of throttle. Mistake number 1!
Mistake number 2 is less clear but seems to relate to how several snatch straps were joined together. With no drive shafts left on the CJ for engine breaking and no motor running for break boost. When the snatch straps separated, away went the CJ and “the Fun Stopped” to quote Michael.
So what can WE learn from these mistakes
Firstly it seems that the “Ugly Wrangler’s” effort shown, was not his first go. (I am betting third or better)
I am sure (at one stage or another) we have all watched someone, (regardless of what they drive) have go, after go, after go……… at something their stuck on.
And each attempt will be accompanied by more and more noise, as the driver “Tries Harder”
By the third go, most likely there is a big risk of something on the vehicle breaking or rolling over.
I would like to suggest a THREE TRY POLICY
It could go like this,
Try, get stuck.
Try again, no better.
Try again, Still Stuck. Three tries you out. Back out or secure the vehicle and have a THINK.
If you have a new idea of how to tackle the problem spot, or have gotten someone to spot for you, then Three more tries are in order.
If unsuccessful - time for a snatch or winch or drive around.
wise words thereQuote:
Originally Posted by CheekyD1
Well said Gaz:cool:
Probably a very good idea to not let anyone have a go at Koala at the moment:eek: it is pretty scary, still drivable though;)
TIM.
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Originally Posted by CheekyD1
Yep have recently discussed that very protocol :)
I would like to suggest a THREE TRY POLICY
It could go like this,
Try, get stuck.
Try again, no better.
Try again, Still Stuck. Three tries you out. Back out or secure the vehicle and have a THINK.
If you have a new idea of how to tackle the problem spot, or have gotten someone to spot for you, then Three more tries are in order.
If unsuccessful - time for a snatch or winch or drive around.[/QUOTE]
i am not interested in promoting the madness of the video in this, a public thread,
however gaz, in the quote above, we are acting on this and have some preliminary guidelines in place, you have highlighted one of them,
this psychic stuff has got to stop.
Just to be clear in the public arena
Neither am IQuote:
Originally Posted by harry
I am not suggesting that any GCLRO members behave in any gung ho manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by harry
I have found myself, if she aint going to go after the third try, A little time out and a think does not go astray. This has saved me damage before, that’s why I am recommending the practice because "The Fun Stops" when things break and we are here to have fun… right
Thanks TimQuote:
Originally Posted by long stroke
but I do have to question the "still drivable"
I was speaking to the last guy who claimed to have done it recently, he claimed that he needed some bodies hanging off his side to keep the front down, this crosses the line from extreme drivable to Crazy for me.
As I said to Michael Bowen about the step on Broken, (Which is worse now than when Cheeky did it a few months ago) I would be happy to try it, but the sensible way would be to motor up to the step, may be have my three try’s, then hook up the winch, a little winch and drive the rest.
(Actually the easiest way after watching others would be to skip the three tries. Motor up, winch, drive on)
Same with Koala IMHO the only sensible way to do the top of Koala (in present condition) would be via winch, not risk people on the mudguards, just to prove that I could "Drive it"
Its should not be seen as some sort of failure to break out the winch so as to not damage a vehicle, some things are just better winched than bashed over.
Just to paint the picture for people who have not seen Koala (at the moment) its very steep water rutted section, with about 4 Cross axle, wheel steps.
The guy who was boasting to me that he had done it, showed me marks on the walls where he had been trying to get up the vertical steps, the marks he showed me, were of his 35’s where he had been biting into the walls on the side of the track tiring to get traction.
Grimaces dream 40 inch tyres would not have helped because the step was about 8 inches above the middle of where his tyre had been with an over hang to stop the tyre climbing.
All he had been doing was pushing his tire into the wall. I can only imagine how much noise was used to bash over this step.
Clearly, this is a case of think a bit, and break out the winch! Safer, Easier, why not?
As a postscript to this story I latter found out that this “Driver” (again I use the term loosely) had later spun his ARB center for the second time, and when We had a look inside His Pinion had been cutting itself a second set of teeth in the crown wheel.
I am thinking his “Driving” Koala cost him more than it was worth. :o
PS, What sort of MT's are you running Tim? PM me.
Yep i agree, it is a bloody insane looking hill, and i havn't seen it in a couple of months so maybe it has changed again (havn't had a real lot of rain though) anyhow, Michael Bowen drove it afew months ago without to many issue's along with Sando in his chopped duel cab patrol, and Ant in his v8 defender, Ant and Sando had a bit of trouble diffing out on the second section where the ruts get pretty deep:eek:
But as far as i know they didn't have any troubles on the ledges;) (they may well we alot worse now.)
Before anyone drives it though they always do abit of track building etc to make it slightly safer:eek:
Dad drove it in the county about 6 months ago, but it wasn't quite as bad then, but it certainly wasn't easy:o, i don't think he will ever try it again the way it is now, were lucky to drive it without any major damage, i have some pics somewhere i will try find them...
We might have to go check it out and see how much worse it has got:cool:
the funny thing is about 10 years ago or so you could drive it in a stock standard 4wd:angel:
P.s dad is running 33'' BFG's and i'm about to fit 33'' bighorns.. and i'm not planning on trying it:p
CHEERS TIM.
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Originally Posted by CheekyD1