Thread: Climate change scepticism - its sources and strategies

No doubt mostly useless if you want to tow something a lot. For most of us that's not a requirement - especially with a Land Rover out front

An 02 Prius would be an early one (not the hatch) - your friends would have had to be determined early adopters with money to boot. Their car wouldn't have been a used Japanese import would it?

I don't get the Prius hate. The 03 on hatch is a brilliantly packaged, roomy, practical, reliable, nippy, fuel efficient city/suburban, family run-about. What's there to hate? Hopeless off road though.

For the life of me I can’t understand how anybody with the slightest bit of intelligence would by a Prius.

If you do a bit of research you’ll find the Prius is nowhere near as environmentally sound as the advertising makes out and a stock standard VW Golf diesel gets better fuel economy, has a better range and speed on the open road and won’t destroy the environment when it’s time to scrap it.

The Prius is the end result of some very extensive advertising, not because ti’s any real help for the environment.

Phillip - the Australian is one of the leading media outlets in Climate Change denial! I'd hardly take their spin on a study as fact in this case... they are massively right wing and skewed towards big business.

Mr Kelly , I am disappointed in your response to my advice to a poster to believe a scientific study rather than anecdotal evidence .

This appears to contradict your whole proposition that scientists know the answers and "denialists" are uneducated yobbos.

It appears from your response that you discard ANY information from sources you do not "like" even though it appears to be straight reporting of a Government research agency report. Any later "spin" would appear to upset you because it disagrees with your preconceptions. AND that sir is what offends many in the population about the Climate Change debate.

So you prefer to believe that sea levels in Fiji have risen 20-50 CM in recent memory of the islanders without further corroboration??

According to the most recent report by the Bureau of Meteorology's National Tidal Centre, issued in June, there has been an average yearly increase of 1.9mm in the combined net rate of relative sea level at Port Kembla, south of Sydney, since the station was installed in 1991.

Start of sidebar.

This is consistent with historical analysis showing that, throughout the 20th century, there was a modest rise in global sea levels of about 20cm, or 1.7mm per year on average.

Regards Philip A

Originally Posted by ghillie

No doubt mostly useless if you want to tow something a lot. For most of us that's not a requirement - especially with a Land Rover out front

An 02 Prius would be an early one (not the hatch) - your friends would have had to be determined early adopters with money to boot. Their car wouldn't have been a used Japanese import would it?

I don't get the Prius hate. The 03 on hatch is a brilliantly packaged, roomy, practical, reliable, nippy, fuel efficient city/suburban, family run-about. What's there to hate? Hopeless off road though.

It wasn't a hate relationship, I mean they bought it new and kept it for seven years. It was quite reliable in that time but on an overall cost/benefit basis they decided it wasn't worth the fuss. When the RR turned up his wife usually pinched that for taking the kids out and left him the Prius. Now they both have cars sensible for all their needs. The Prius simply didn't cut the mustard for a 2+2 family.

Climate Institute article
OCEANS & SEA LEVEL RISE
Consequences of Climate Change on the Oceans

Good reading I guess.........

Originally Posted by drivesafe

For the life of me I can’t understand how anybody with the slightest bit of intelligence would by a Prius.

If you do a bit of research you’ll find the Prius is nowhere near as environmentally sound as the advertising makes out and a stock standard VW Golf diesel gets better fuel economy, has a better range and speed on the open road and won’t destroy the environment when it’s time to scrap it.

The Prius is the end result of some very extensive advertising, not because ti’s any real help for the environment.

I assume you are talking about the batteries here? Any proof of this?

If most of your driving is in the city then a prius is quite economical.

In cairns they have a lot of prius taxis. I spoke to the driver of one and he said he saved at least $20/day on fuel compared to his previous car (a camry on LPG).

I doubt I would ever buy one though.

I wonder how many of you who have posted here have actually listened to the podcast?

What it was about was a forum at the AAAS on the failure of the scientific community to counter the arguments of climate change sceptics. How the opposition market their views and get air play, etc and what the science community needs to do to make themselves heard.

Its not about climate change. It's about communication. Oh, and the conspiracy theorist out there can wonder why those conspiring are doing this in public

Originally Posted by akelly

Willem - you continue to miss the point. How does a person putting forward their own point of view result in them lacking credibility?

Again, it was not a debate. If you want both sides of the story dont listen to a programme that is about only one side.

Again, I dont think you have listened/read the entire programme - I can only assume that you are one of the people that so violently disagree with this point of view that you cannot bring yourself to hear it.

Cheers,

Adam

Adam, it may well have been a symposium designed to put only one side of a story, a group of people voicing their concern about something or other. that is entirely valid! But just because it is only one side of a story it lacks credibility - if you want to get a real picture of what is going on you at least have to listen to the other side! You can't make a decision on the matter by only listening to them, especially given the negative view they have of anyone differing with them.

The point under discussion in the symposium is not climate change ... its not even methodology ... its how to best influence public opinion. Their mind on climate change and methodology is made up. All they are really concerned about is why they have been unsuccessful in influencing public opinion and what to do about it. They actively disparge those who have a different view on both climate change and methodology.

Willem