Thread: Is this worth the killing ????

Originally Posted by digger

Or maybe, trying to find some way that Afghanistan could support itself and base its economy on, the US is conducting all these surveys etc...to basically get a head start for the locals???

Possibly, just maybe, not everyone who is involved in this thing is part of some huge conspiracy, possibly, just a wee bit, that there are people out there who think they are helping build the afghan nation up so it can survive???

sorry but sometimes I think a little too much james bond movie plot is brought into the weigh up??

My brother is currently over there and I will be damned if I believe the Australian forces are there as part of that kind of crap conspiracy stuff!

My 5c....(was 2c but I rounded up!)

cheers
digger

Yep and no disrespect intended to any serving forces personnel. They are doing their job for reasons given to them and their superiors and my full support is behind them anywhere they serve whatever the reason. The politics are a completely different issue altogether and it is not conspiracy theories. Look at history and the countries the US have invaded or convinced the UN to invade. All have been resource rich, but come things like Bosnia, Ukraine, a lot of Africa etc and they are not interested. Regardless of wether they are helping countries to many US companies end up with fingers in the pie.

Originally Posted by lardy

.....did you pay GST on the 5c ?

Ummm Im not good, and it seems like rarely do I get to 'service' !

so should I pay the tax ??!!!

digger

Invade?...go back centuries and the years are littered with invasions world wide right up to present day. The romans, Hitler yada yada yada. War is war and is usually fought on religious, political and/or foreign policy grounds. That's a fact and it's simple.

The surge for oil in the middle east and persian gulf started after WW1...that race was between Britain and America. The US has assets in that region that they wish to protect. With Japan and Europe being a bigger consumer of oil than the US, I'm sure they are happy the US are controlling those interests and not letting them fall into the hands of countries which can't. I know I am.

The professional protesters bleet about "no war for oil". Yet they stand there, placards in hand, wearing Nike shoes and drive home in their oil burning Datsun 180B's, knowing they will be able to fill the tank up tomorrow with their dole money, without rationing and without having to queue for hours.

If, on the face of the article, the Afghans are sitting on a "gold mine"....I for one support the US, and any other foreign involvement, in any way in terms of helping them manage that resource to a point where Afghanistan can self-manage. But it will take decades.

Nice post too Digger.

Funny i was surfing ebeay last night and saw this just a coincidence i know but its a nice stone

RUBY MINERAL ROCK SPECIMEN COLLECTABLES FOSSIL CRYSTAL - eBay Display Specimens, Crystals Mineral Specimens, Rocks, Fossils Minerals, Collectibles. (end time 12-Jul-10 18:55:10 AEST)

Location found;Jedalek, Kabul Afghanistan

A trillion dollars,
gee I could do some pretty nice things to my disco with that kind a cash
I wonder how much the war has cost the US? Just in dollar terms, not lives and effort. Return for effort? Low.
Would this wealth have been able to have been exploited if the situation were the same as it was prior to the US intervention. At least its part of getting the country back on some kind of footing.
I also notice that the biggest contract for exploration and mining has been handed to a chinese company, not the kind of result you'd be after if it were about the money.
Hopefully, one day, I can drive there in Betsy and see for myself.

Originally Posted by MickS

Invade?...go back centuries and the years are littered with invasions world wide right up to present day. The romans, Hitler yada yada yada. War is war and is usually fought on religious, political and/or foreign policy grounds. That's a fact and it's simple.

The surge for oil in the middle east and persian gulf started after WW1...that race was between Britain and America. The US has assets in that region that they wish to protect. With Japan and Europe being a bigger consumer of oil than the US, I'm sure they are happy the US are controlling those interests and not letting them fall into the hands of countries which can't. I know I am.

The professional protesters bleet about "no war for oil". Yet they stand there, placards in hand, wearing Nike shoes and drive home in their oil burning Datsun 180B's, knowing they will be able to fill the tank up tomorrow with their dole money, without rationing and without having to queue for hours.

If, on the face of the article, the Afghans are sitting on a "gold mine"....I for one support the US, and any other foreign involvement, in any way in terms of helping them manage that resource to a point where Afghanistan can self-manage. But it will take decades.

Nice post too Digger.

Mick, has there been anything mentioned about being anti oil production?? I know I have not said anything like that. What I am on about is it is related to greed and keeping the US as a powerhouse. Sorry but I believe if a country has a resource it should benefit that country and its people not multi nationals from other countries.

Yeah, maybe people can draw a bit of a bow and link this whole Mid East crap to oil, minerals, fish, sand, trees, climate change, people smuggling, someones distant 2nd cousin's best friend was wronged by someone ..... the conspiracy theorists can go on for ever ......

But I can tell you this ... if a by product of all that means that we can eradicate the world of terrorists and other scum that like to blow up people because they have nothing better to do then so be it .....

You know, it would be great if we all got along and we were able to trade or share all the things we need and the world span around in some sort of euphoric state but the reality is it will not happen. There will always be something for somone to wage a war about .......

Some people seem to forget that there are people out there that hang others simply because they disagree with them, some behead others on video for fun, they commit attrocities beyond our imagination on others' for no other reason that they are different ......... wouldn't you want someone to come to your aid .....

My 1 cent worth ....... (I rounded up) ....

Originally Posted by CraigE

Mick, has there been anything mentioned about being anti oil production?? I know I have not said anything like that. What I am on about is it is related to greed and keeping the US as a powerhouse. Sorry but I believe if a country has a resource it should benefit that country and its people not multi nationals from other countries.

US discovers stunning mineral wealth in Afghanistan - Yahoo! News UK
Is this what it's been all about ???
No oil to exploit here chaps, but whilst we are here anyway might as well have a look and see if there is anything worth nicking.....behold America the new empire.
I was speaking to a kurd a few months back he intimated that the invasion of Iraq and toppling (and consquental hanging thereof) Stan Sadaam was about getting security for Kurdistan from the turks and from the Iraqi's as they have some oil up there if any of this is true it's a totally disgusting episode and a dishonour of the memory of the servicemen that have copped it

Anti-oil, greed, politics...call it what you like. But that's the general thrust of the thread...as is usual when it comes to yank bashing. The oil fields of the Persian Gulf are the largest crude oil resource in the world. That resource not only benefits the Arab states of the Persian Gulf, but countries world wide. If Iraq had been successful in their occupation of Kuwait, and the yanks hadn't stepped in, the world would be a completely different place. Instead, Saddam set fire to Kuwait's oil wells as his army withdrew back across the border.

I'm no yank lover by any stretch of the imagination...but someone mentioned politics...war is politics...just with weapons instead of words. Oil, religion, "reds under the bed"...all political. I'd rather be in bed with the yanks, driving my TD5 diesel, or my petrol guzzling Cobra, down the highway of "i can go wherever I want whenever I want", than sleep in a cave berating the "capitalist pigs".