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Just watched Catalyst on the ABC, a piece on obesity amongst children. Overweight and obese people costs Australia 21 Billion dollars per year,...that is $21,000,000,000 per year.
Here is a link to substantiate the figure.
OVERWEIGHT AND OBESITY COSTS AUSTRALIA OVER $21 BILLION PER YEAR | Australian Medical Association
The majority of the population need to eat less and move more. Leave the car at home, ride a bike instead...:)
Ron.
:lol2: I'll pay that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad
Because it's legal, and always has been.Quote:
Why do you believe that a NON PAYING, NON INSURED VEHICLE, be allowed on OUR public ROADS??
What part of that, cannot you understand is the Problem..
Horses are legal to be ridden on the road too, we often do that in these parts and I haven't noticed a rego plate hanging off any of them, oh, that's right, they don't need to be either.
I do, all our vehicles, trailers and floats are registered and fully insured.Quote:
If you are so LAW abiding, ALL about EXERCISE and it is YOUR right to be on the road....why NOT CONTRIBUTE to the upkeep, keep yourself insured, and follow Common sense and RESPECT....
Why on earth would I register my treadlies when no rego is required ?
Your arguments sound so much like Mr Scruby arguing why 4WD's should be banned from the city, which personally wouldn't affect me in the slightest as the closest city is something like 2.5 hours away from here but i believe we all have the right to own a 4WD regardless of where you live as it's they are a legal conveyance, and mostly 4Wder's are pretty decent people.
Cycling is much the same, most of those I've met over the years are good people and follow the rules, but i've never lived and commuted in a city either.
Well this has become a sort of religious debate, hasn't it. God exists, no he doesn't, yes he does, doesn't, does, doesn't. It's probably time to agree to disagree guys 'cos the two sides will never come together (here that is); maybe they will on the road and if they do it usually ends one way, despite the "right" to put oneself in danger.
ps reminds me - did ya hear about the dyslexic agnostic. He couldn't make up his mind if dog really existed - b-boom :)
pps interesting comment earlier - comparing cyclists to sheep and cattle
So many years ago when I was stepping out of a Postie Van onto the footpath and a cyclist cut off of the road, onto the path to avoid the lights at the intersection, collected me and broke 2 ribs and punctured my lung. Does this mean cyclist do not inflict injury! (Not to mention everyone's mail scattered all over the pavement).Quote:
Originally Posted by brizmatt
The driver of the truck that killed a cyclist who was hanging onto the rear tray and went under the wheels does not suffer depression and anxiety issues after such an incident? I personally was involved in a incident with a pedestrian who was critically injured as a result of his foolish actions and the driver had to live with the consequences. Luckily I was a witness in the defence of the driver who otherwise would have been held responsible by default.
The cyclist who deliberately cut in front of a bus in an act of road rage causing the driver to hit the brakes sending dozens of passengers flying did not cause any injury? (This is a very common incident which I often find myself investigating)
I have dozens more examples where cyclists have caused injury but I am not trying to demean cyclists with my posts. I am just looking for cyclists to acknowledge that they need to be responsible for their actions which some posts are starting to acknowledge but too many here are just trying to defend actions of one side or the other. I loathe to go down the rego/insurance angle for push bikes but tell me how do we hold cyclists responsible for their actions? (Please cyclists tell me how?)
I was never able to identify the cyclist who punctured my lung as he did not have to provide proof of identity to the police who attended (whilst I was being carted away in an ambulance).
I have not in any of my posts re this subject requested of cyclist to do anything other than:
Obey the law
Be responsible
Use common sense
Is this too much to ask?
For most of the cyclists I encounter it is asking to much! (just as asking all motorists to do the same)
Now will the pro cycling members stop trying to justify your actions and just realise the status quo is already weighted in favour of the cyclist at the expense of the motorist, be grateful for what privileges you do have. Yes cycling will be with us for a long time to come and cycling needs to be incorporated into the often lacking transport systems we have but cyclists must also be mindful of other road (and path) users.
Cyclists are responsible for their actions under the law in every State and Territory in Australia. This liability may be both civil and criminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thommo
It is easy for a cyclist to obtain insurance - for example, you get it automatically when you join Bicycle Queensland.
If the police attend an accident they can require any cyclist involved to provide proof of identity. Depending upon the circumstances, failure to do so may be an offence and the cyclist may be arrested, or held until the cyclist's identity is ascertained.
These are not difficult questions and all have simple answers. There is no reason for hysteria.
For a slight change of pace, if you want to see just what is possible on a fancy carbon road bike while wearing lycra, check this out:
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z1fSpZNXhU"]YouTube- Amazing stunt riding...on a carbon road bike[/nomedia]
Make sure you watch for the backflip at the end.
I could of done that in a skirt...:lol2:
I don't understand where you state...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad
... and seek to exclude some public from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad
Can we just go riding now????:p:p:p:p
No hysteria from me just dealing in facts:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_S
My statement was "how do we hold cyclists responsible", I was not asking if they are legally responsible. Currently there is no discernible way to identify a cyclist involved in incidents unlike cars.
Yes police may/can/should obtain details from a cyclist involved in an incident (if they attend) but they will only bonafide the details if they suspect the information is bogus (in my own personal incident the rider gave false/misleading details to which the police where unable to follow up). The number of cyclists that are involved in or cause incidents and just ride away is discerning. I have been involved in the investigation of numerous cyclists involved incidents where this has occurred and the innocent parties are left responsible. (I am a "prescribed officer" with the powers to demand details in certain situations under various acts, yet if someone chooses to give me false details, notably someone who claims to not have ID etc with them, I have to request police to bonafide them but I have no specific powers to physical hold them until this can be achieved).
Yes cyclists can obtain insurance through the various cycling bodies (and a great idea which I support) but there is no compulsion to carry insurance like motor vehicles.
I am afraid that it appears most in the Pro Cycling lobby will just never admit they are part of the same group of road users who need to be responsible in the same or similar manner.
Now I can see someone will dissect my latest replies yet again and question my statements. Can not anyone from the Pro Cycling supporters just acknowledge that there is inadequacies with holding cyclists responsible for their actions?