Cyclist aware drivers... are you one?

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Originally Posted by sam_d

No, you don't pay for the road through rego. Rego does not pay for the roads. I can't believe how many times this needs to be said.

The roads and their maintenance are paid for through general taxation and local rates. Rego does not pay for roads.

However, you do pay for the roads from the taxes you pay. Everyone who pays taxes contributes to the roads.

People who don't own their own private motor vehicle actually subsidise those of us who do.

Next time people start to say cyclists are 'getting something for free' I suggest they try and educate themselves as to how the roads are funded and realise that cyclists who aren't also drivers are net contributors to the system.

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The majority of people who are saying cyclists are 'getting something for free, are cyclists.Oddly, it's also the cyclists that are saying they own the road.(or something to that effect).

But, calm down there sam. Threads such as these tend to attract people with big opinions and low comprehension skills who are more into being offended than reading the post. You get used to it. Most of what I pay on registration is third party insurance.

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Originally Posted by davidsonsm

I thought the argument for rego on this post was all about accountability. Being identifiable via the rego.

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Yep

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Originally Posted by davidsonsm

I'd suggest it would be next to useless to have a licence plate on a bike.

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I'd suggest it wouldn't
Oh, did you read pop058's post?

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Originally Posted by davidsonsm

It simply wouldn't be visable. You would have to have a number plate light for night riding. Or have I misinterpreted the points being made pro rego?

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You'll be wanting a roadworthy next.

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Originally Posted by sam_d

Well, given the story only a few posts back, do you think that joggers should wear rego plates too?

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Originally Posted by AndyG

Leonard Teale would have caught the jogger:)

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Yep. Leonard Teale would have got on the radio and said "99 to VKC, send the divisional van to pick up jogger XYZ heading southbound on Swanston St. 99 to VKC over." and then launching into a poem from Banjo Patterson.

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

so glad I only have one anti bikes on roads member living near me.........

The purported bike rego plate scheme wouldn't last a month before the police demand it be shut down. Imagine the outpourings from aggrieved petrol heads about seeing a bike inches outside a bike lane. Nuisance reporting would drown out the few actually useful reports. Have you got your daily tally of nuisance reporting up yet?:p

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Originally Posted by weeds

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

so glad I only have one anti bikes on roads member living near me.........

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Just to make things a little clearer, I'm not anti cycle, I'm pro responsibility. Out there, on the streets, you see it every day. Cyclists being irresponsible. Not all, not most but a greater proportion than irresponsible motorists. A registration marker of some sort identifying them if/when their arrogance brings them into conflict may assist to reduce their number of incidents and probably improve their safety. What would you want? A fine in the mail telling you to be more responsible or a bus having the last word (refer to my previous post of a fellow I knew who had a difference of opinion with a bus).

If cycles that use the road do not have registration, why should cars?

Another story. A fellow I know bought a car. Unregistered. It was in Melbourne. It had a roadworthy. It had an UVP. He drove it to Bendigo (where he lived) via a toll road to get registered.
The next day, he rang the toll company to pay the toll. As the vehicle did not have any plates on it, the automated phone system did not allow him to progress (It couldn't understand "unregistered") and he gave up. Can you understand the confusion if the only thing that identifies a vehicle would be the description "a white sedan"? Speed and red light cameras would be useless.

I'm changing my stance. I'll side with the cyclists. They've gotten rid of registration labels. Now it's time to get rid of registration plates.

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Originally Posted by davidsonsm

But even worst, the rego plate might impede aerodynamics. And add weight.

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Pedal harder. It'll get you fitter.

I don't complain about the extra fuel I'm using lugging those big, weighty registration plates around on the Landy.

Hey, perhaps I should. Registration plates are contributing to the CO2 levels in the atmosphere. Come to think of it, cyclists are contributing to global warming and climate change as well. Maybe they should refrain from breathing whilst riding.

Ill go back to a prior point. Its a question of consequence. Car goes viral - can be very bad. Bike goes viral - less so.

I don't think the authorities want to administer it. I don't believe there are any other nations that have bike rego. Why an issue here? What is so unusual about Australia (in relation to bike intolerance). I could answer that one quite simply, but I'll refrain.

It is only NZ and AU that have mandatory helmet laws I believe. Strange one that. Bloody hell we need them with some of the attitudes towards us out there.

Actually a good read:

http://m.smh.com.au/executive-style/...614-20bk6.html

Many won't be able to read it though, as their one eye will prevent them from focusing.

You can perhaps tell I'm passionate about this issue. Nobody has offered me a logical explanation as why australia is different to the rest of the world. Both in terms of attitude and laws.

And on a psychological level why does a registered bike, change driver attitudes.

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Out there, on the streets, you see it every day. Cyclists being irresponsible. Not all, not most but a greater proportion than irresponsible motorists.

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Mick, you keep asserting this and yet you've not presented one scrap of evidence to support your argument.

In my running around I'd say the opposite is true, but that's just my observation. ;)

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Originally Posted by davidsonsm

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I don't think the authorities want to administer it. I don't believe there are any other nations that have bike rego. Why an issue here? What is so unusual about Australia (in relation to bike intolerance). I could answer that one quite simply, but I'll refrain.

It is only NZ and AU that have mandatory helmet laws I believe. Strange one that. Bloody hell we need them with some of the attitudes towards us out there.

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Actually I'd like to hear why you think there is so much intolerance, bike and otherwise.

It's a question that vexes me.

What has happened to make Aussies so wanting to control what others do and regulate and suppress those that aren't exactly like them ?

We see it when things go slightly awry, when someone gets lost or injured when doing something slightly outside the norms of society.
"Make them pay for the rescue" "it should be banned" "They should be licensed" "we need a new rule/regulation to stop this/that/whatever" and on it goes.

All of us are being regulated out of living, we'll just end up existing, and that isn't a life, or at least not how I wish to live.

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The point about cyclists not paying rego is a bit invalid given that the majority of adult cyclists would actually own at least one car and therefore pay rego anyway.

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Using the implied logic:

I own 3 4wdrives, 2 motorbikes and 2 Push bikes.. I can only use one at a time...

How many registrations should I have to pay?