Thread: The perfect 4WD?

just tell me what do most of the worlds armys drive think you will fined it to be land rovers if it good enough for the queen its good enough for me

Dunno ... for me the perfect 4WD is one that has a traditionally mechanical engine system ... not one that relies heavily on electronics and computer chips etc. Call me a Luddite though.

I voted with my feet and bought a County, feels pretty damned perfect to me at this point.

S.

I assume they'll have to build a simple, rugged, reliable basic vehicle for military and similar uses. Then they'll have to produce tarted up versions for people who want something between the basic and the Disco.
That's where I'd come in.

Originally Posted by Tikirocker

Dunno ... for me the perfect 4WD is one that has a traditionally mechanical engine system ... not one that relies heavily on electronics and computer chips etc. Call me a Luddite though.

I voted with my feet and bought a County, feels pretty damned perfect to me at this point.

S.

X2

JC

Originally Posted by superquag

As someone only recently infected with Rover-itis, (bought a 94 Vogue SE) and has owned an old 89 diesel Pajero for more than a few years....

I have never experienced such crappy unreliability in what are the 'basics'... like wiring thats inadequate in gauge and LENGTH, switchgear that is far from robust, door-handles that are a consumable item....

My left-field fantasy... (reality if I win Lotto)

Take the chassis of an older Rangie, or Defender, put it under a Gen1 (mine) or Gen 2 PAJERO body... engine of your choice... then you'd have a body that gives you heaps of 'human' room. rear seat leg space better than Patrols, certainly more than ANY Def or Disco, and most importantly, electrics that work, and keep on working, that don't fall apart, and even rear side windows that wind ALL the way down !!!

Maybe not literally, but the Paj is way more efficient in its interior space, the seats are pretty decent, and the proportions virtually perfect. - As much as I love it, the Rangie's steering wheel is too small and tooo close to the driver...and pedals a tad too far. Sideways legroom is much less than the Paj even though the vehicle is wider.

And don't start me about the lack of headroom for a 5'10" person !!!

Quite bluntly, Rover missed the boat 30+ years ago as far as sensible and practical body design goes.

As much as I love the Classic, there is NO way my Paj is leaving the family fleet. - Nothing (japanese) ever breaks on it!

James in Perth

I used to have a 1988 pajero, intercooled turbo diesel 2.5L 4 cyl. I had 7 seats, leather, heated front seats, suspension front seats (very good) and everything else with a 4 speed auto. Anyway I did like the car, but it was nothing on my RRC. The RRC has far more room as I am 6,3 and its the first car I have owned where I cannot put the seat all the way back!! Long distance driving is better in the RRC I dont get a back ache. And the suspension in the pajero was crap (it had rear coils) it felt so tinny. The RRC has huge space in the rear compared with a patrol, but the pajero was also very good in this regard. The most annoying thing in the pajero was having my right knee rest on the power window switches. Also I give the RR hell off road and it does not break (other than an axle!) whereas the pajero got a vibration in the driveline the first 4x4 day I took it on I could never get rid of. Anyway the pajero is everything it says on the box but the RRC is far superior.

I think that Toyota 70 series is great on a spec sheet. Ticks the right boxes. That's about where the goodness ends.

Originally Posted by superquag

As someone only recently infected with Rover-itis, (bought a 94 Vogue SE) and has owned an old 89 diesel Pajero for more than a few years....

I have never experienced such crappy unreliability in what are the 'basics'... like wiring thats inadequate in gauge and LENGTH, switchgear that is far from robust, door-handles that are a consumable item....

My left-field fantasy... (reality if I win Lotto)

Take the chassis of an older Rangie, or Defender, put it under a Gen1 (mine) or Gen 2 PAJERO body... engine of your choice... then you'd have a body that gives you heaps of 'human' room. rear seat leg space better than Patrols, certainly more than ANY Def or Disco, and most importantly, electrics that work, and keep on working, that don't fall apart, and even rear side windows that wind ALL the way down !!!

Maybe not literally, but the Paj is way more efficient in its interior space, the seats are pretty decent, and the proportions virtually perfect. - As much as I love it, the Rangie's steering wheel is too small and tooo close to the driver...and pedals a tad too far. Sideways legroom is much less than the Paj even though the vehicle is wider.

And don't start me about the lack of headroom for a 5'10" person !!!

Quite bluntly, Rover missed the boat 30+ years ago as far as sensible and practical body design goes.

As much as I love the Classic, there is NO way my Paj is leaving the family fleet. - Nothing (japanese) ever breaks on it!

James in Perth

Yawwnnnn.......

Well guys....and gals....after reading all the things youd love to have in your new Defender, youll never need to build a new Defender in that specification. You already have it.....its called a D4......it has everything that everyone here has requested. The good thing I can see is that if it its going to take until 2019 to get this new fender on the market, the old one hopefully will be still manufactured until that time, by then a lot more of us will own one, will be extremely happy with them and wont want new fangled ones.