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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish71 View Post
    Yep, massive cultural change. This is really simple economics.
    Retailers, tradies, manufacturers, etc are not making 1000% profit anywhere in Australia, gauranteed. (and if you can prove me wrong, I WANT THEIR NUMBER!) Their costs are high, their prices are high, and hopefully they make 15%.

    Lower costs, and you get lower prices, in a competitive market. Key costs are rent, and wages. Cant lower wages, 'cause the cost of living for the wage earner is so high. Cant lower rents because the property owner has a loan to repay....etc, etc.....to fix it, requires massive change, and that change is not going to happen voluntarily. The only way it happens, is like how the GFC has effected the UK. They now have much lower costs....and all of the pain that goes with it....high unemployment, low demand for product, stagnant economy etc.

    In a truly open market, the world would equalise. Wages, and product costs, in different companies, would even out. Because the workforce will go where the money is (CHECK OUT ALL THE BOATS COMING TO AUSTRALIA as an indicator of mobile populations chasing a better standard of living.) If you cant compete with that COuntry, then you dont make/provide that product anymore. On a coarse scale, this is what is happening with manufqacturing internationally. We dont manufacture anymore, becuase China, and India do it cheaper. Instead, we aim to provide something they need, but cant do. The obvious one is minerals. But we have also tried to provide higher level services, like education, technical expertise etc. These industries too are on the decline as places like China and India inprove their ability on these areas. Whilst we have resources, and they need them, it doesnt matter. We are in part shielded from the global economy. Thats why we have money to spend on cheap imports. It will keep working whilst we can share that wealth throughtout the Australian economy. It will stop working if we end up with a two speed economy.....or run out of minerals. (Although I have a solution for that ) And when that happens, it should level out globally.... But it wont level out, because the people at the better end, dont want to give up what they have, and the Government feels obligated to support that desire.

    This is the Capitalist Model....everything is linked to "growth", and everything will therefore keep going up. If it doesnt, it breaks.

    So, next time we whinge about having to pay 30-50% more for parts in Australia, just thank yourself that you have the option of supporting the local guy, or whilst sitting in your house, with a cold beer, kids in decent schools, you can access the inta-ma-net with your right hand, find something on the other side of the world, and justify to yourself that you can spend some of your disposable income on some "Ineeditrightnow ori'mgoingtodie!" parts. You can bet your bottom dollar that most australian companies out there do not sit on a 50% profit margin! If they could compete with you bringing stuff in from overseas, they would.

    Choice is yours....and I dont judge you

    For the record, I own an australian engineering design and manufacture workshop, that struggles to compete everyday, and often unsuccessfully....and I still order some parts from overseas.
    Several clothing stores and jewellery stores I know of as franchises have a regular markup of 2000% and often why they have so called 50% off sales (which granted brings their profits back down to a normal level). Not the norm I know but does happen. A lot of automotive retailers I know have a markup of 200-300% and people still buy from them, needless to say I do not. Do not get me wrong I will buy from Australian suppliers wherever possible, but wont tolerate being ripped off either.
    A great example of this was when I wanted Hella Rallye 4000 spotties, went to one business in Kalgoorlie that was charging $396 per light (major aftermarket Toyota parts supplier that charge Toyota genuine prices for aftermarket bits). Went down the road to a truck shop and they were $180 each and the guy there assured me they were still making quite a healthy profit.
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    Mark Up is NOT Profit!

    This is oversimplified but...if a business sells a single item, 100 of them in a year.

    Cost 1 - Annual Operating Costs (facility lease, utilities, wages, advertising etc)
    Cost 2 - Annual Compliance Costs (sales tax, company tax, payroll tax, land duty, import duties, license etc etc...believe me the list is long)
    Cost 3 - Material Cost (the cost of item I wish to sell)

    A 2000% mark up on Cost 2, will provide a profit of:

    Profit = (Revenue from selling 100 items at 2000% mark up) - (Operating Costs + COmpliance Costs)

    The trick is to ensure the mark up is set to ensure that all other expenses are covered, so that the business may make a profit. You also need to hope like buggery that you sell the 100 items you planned, so that this mark up that you calculated is enough!

    Again, if you can show me a business making a 2000% profit, I want shares! In fact, i will take a franchise making 1000% if thats all you can find. I will invest $1000, and by the end of the year I will be a millionaire. (mwuh mwuh mwuh!)

    In the example you have provided below, if the only thing that the Toyota dealer did is sell lights, then he wont be in business very long.


    Quote Originally Posted by CraigE View Post
    Several clothing stores and jewellery stores I know of as franchises have a regular markup of 2000% and often why they have so called 50% off sales (which granted brings their profits back down to a normal level). Not the norm I know but does happen. A lot of automotive retailers I know have a markup of 200-300% and people still buy from them, needless to say I do not. Do not get me wrong I will buy from Australian suppliers wherever possible, but wont tolerate being ripped off either.
    A great example of this was when I wanted Hella Rallye 4000 spotties, went to one business in Kalgoorlie that was charging $396 per light (major aftermarket Toyota parts supplier that charge Toyota genuine prices for aftermarket bits). Went down the road to a truck shop and they were $180 each and the guy there assured me they were still making quite a healthy profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish71 View Post
    Mark Up is NOT Profit!

    This is oversimplified but...if a business sells a single item, 100 of them in a year.

    Cost 1 - Annual Operating Costs (facility lease, utilities, wages, advertising etc)
    Cost 2 - Annual Compliance Costs (sales tax, company tax, payroll tax, land duty, import duties, license etc etc...believe me the list is long)
    Cost 3 - Material Cost (the cost of item I wish to sell)

    A 2000% mark up on Cost 2, will provide a profit of:

    Profit = (Revenue from selling 100 items at 2000% mark up) - (Operating Costs + COmpliance Costs)

    The trick is to ensure the mark up is set to ensure that all other expenses are covered, so that the business may make a profit. You also need to hope like buggery that you sell the 100 items you planned, so that this mark up that you calculated is enough!

    Again, if you can show me a business making a 2000% profit, I want shares! In fact, i will take a franchise making 1000% if thats all you can find. I will invest $1000, and by the end of the year I will be a millionaire. (mwuh mwuh mwuh!)

    In the example you have provided below, if the only thing that the Toyota dealer did is sell lights, then he wont be in business very long.
    Yes the old rule at 50% markup.. buy in 12 items cost =to 8 items so you need to sell 8!!!!!!!! before you have paid your costs!!!, if you say only sell one of the remaining four (quite normal) at full profit and take 20% off the other 3 you are stuffed without factoring in any overheads
    so had better hope you do not have say 12 series ones coils etc in which there is a extremely limited market (as a theoretical example )and you may have to hold the stock for years and if you are on a overdraft watch out !!! let alone pay wages, holiday pay, rent tax etc
    Disclaimer I buy from overseas also but understand it"s not always clear cut as people make out

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    A friend is a partner in a small chain of mid-upper ladies clothes shops. When he made this investment I asked him about profit margins as I had heard mark-ups on ladies clothes were quite silvery. I suggested 100-150% might be normal. He was horrified saying NEVER under 250% at the very least, more like 400-500%. They could have half-price and 60% off sales and still make indecent margins.

    As many of you know I sell engineer's supplies. One of my best selling lines is also sold by my principal competitor. He sells these at 8 to 15 times my landed cost. He prices by size, bigger sell for more. I sell them all for the same price, less than half his price for the smallest. All sizes cost the same from the maker in China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drivesafe View Post
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    The sooner it’s done here the better it will be for ALL Australians. Just think what GST pays for!
    Overseas jollys and superannuation for politicians! Or at least that's the first thing that GST gets used for.

    If there is no GST or similar tax in the country of product origin to which Australia has a Free Trade Agreement - then we can not impose a GST here! Similarly we can not impose a tax greater than the tax in an origin country if that country is a partner in an FTA.

    Australia has Free Trade Agreements with:
    • Singapore.
    • USA.
    • Thailand.
    • New Zealand
    • Chile
    • ASEAN
    We are negotiating FTA with:
    • China.
    • Japan.
    • Malaysia.
    • Pacific CER
    • India.
    • Indonesia.
    Now consider the complexity of levying the correct level of GST for all those FTA when the GST return is less than $A100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    Overseas jollys and superannuation for politicians! Or at least that's the first thing that GST gets used for.

    If there is no GST or similar tax in the country of product origin to which Australia has a Free Trade Agreement - then we can not impose a GST here! Similarly we can not impose a tax greater than the tax in an origin country if that country is a partner in an FTA.

    Australia has Free Trade Agreements with:
    • Singapore.
    • USA.
    • Thialand.
    • New Zealand
    • Chile
    • ASEAN
    We are negotiating FTA with:
    • China.
    • Japan.
    • Malaysia.
    • Pacific CER
    • India.
    • Indonesia.
    Now consider the complexity of levying the correct level of GST for all those FTA when the GST return is less than $A100.
    My point exactly. Not economically sensible.

    What about goods made in one country and purchased in another? Adds another level of complication.
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    If there is no GST or similar tax in the country of product origin to which Australia has a Free Trade Agreement - then we can not impose a GST here!
    Huh! How can the retailers charge GST on imported goods then? Doesn't sound right to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooseneck View Post
    Huh! How can the retailers charge GST on imported goods then? Doesn't sound right to me!
    AFAIK Once the goods are imported and duties etc paid (or not) the FTA ceases to have effect and local taxes are required to be levied. So the importer of the US made item, like Harvey Norman, don't have to pay GST when they import US made goods from the USA, but we have to pay the GST when we buy it from Harvey Norman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon View Post
    Laws of supply and demand state that high demand will increase prices, not decrease prices. Prices drop due to competition and over supply.
    Not neccesarily, that is the case if demand is high and supply is low. Such as bananas in the off season, people still want them but there arent enough bananas for everyone so the price goes up so some people choose not to buy them, or they buy less so it balances out.

    If there is a situation where there is a high demand and high supply then the prices can be cheaper. I think its better for a company to sell twice as many of a product at half the profit as it is to sell half as many at twice the profit. If they sell twice as many at half the profit then there are twice as many people driving around with their product bolted to their car and twice as many people talking about the product. Whilst this might not work out exactly a lower price will attract more sales as more people can afford the item.

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    It is my understanding that the concessions and exemptions associated with trade agreements (including free trade agreements) relate to import duties payable on the imports and not GST.

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