Thread: Carrying Gas Bottles in or on Defender

I think Jon that as long as it is under a certain size, eg 9kg (?) and it isn't a permenent installation eg caravan oven/ cooktop etc, then you can carry it inside the vehicle or outside in a safe place without any problems. Otherwise if it were a permanent installation, then it will have to meet gas installations in recreational vehicle standards etc etc...

not 100% sure if this is the same australia wide?

JC

get a milk crate, a 9kg bottle fits well. the strap it on the roof rack.

personly not a fan of having the bottle inside

These are the Qld requirements:

http://www.dme.qld.gov.au/zone_files...rtransport.pdf

I don't imagine you can go wrong following these elsewhere.

There are different "laws" for different states.
AFAIK, across Australia, you can carry 2x 9kg in a seperate vehicle enclosure (ie boot) for the purpose of refilling or exchange. Carriage of cylinders in the passenger compartment is a no no. ( ie Defender wagon) although there is no longer brochures or available data on this. LPG recently went from 2WE to 3YE, so petrol regulations may apply.
Laying down of cylinders is also a no no as the relief valve must be able to vent off vapour, & laying it down puts the relief valve under liquid.
Thats not to say these rules aren't regularly broken. I was with 2 energysafe inspectors before Christmas when a Qld plated 4wd parked opposite us with 2 x 4.5 kg bottles strapped to the roof on thier side. The more senior inspector sure saw it & there was plenty of time to say something but he chose to ignore it. If was to say anything to the driver it would be to put some padding between the cylinder I the rack as it was metal to metal, Lets face it, if you put a 4wd on its side with a correctly stored cyl, its not going to be safe anyway.
You can carry 250 litre gross storage on the tray of an open vehicle before dangerous goods laws kick in. This is so a farmer can take 2x45kg's home from town. It used to be 500 litres.
You can also build in a gas compartment to your vehicle, these vent to the outside.
I've been in the LPG industry for 23 years now.

Edit, I just read the Qld rules & it should really say that carraige in an enclosed vehicle can only happen if the vehicle doesn't have a boot. Certainly that is the only state that publicises the regs.

Cheers, David

In SA my local gas supplier will not let you load more than one filled 9kg bottle in a vehicle. It must be disconnected and preferably plugged as well. And it has to be carried with the valve upwards.

The rules are pretty much the same Australia wide. You are allowed to carry up to 2 x 9kg cylinders inside a vehicle. It does state for the purpose of filling or exchange so can be a grey area. The even greyer area is, is your 9kg cylinder allowed?? Some come in bang on 9kg, some come in under and some are over. Generally now a so called 9kg cylinder is actually 8.5ks to come in under the designated limit, so you should be ok. You would be pretty hard done buy to get pinged for carrying them. Where possible you should carry them outside or in and adequate ventilated compartment. Go figure we can have a 100litre LPG vehicle fuel cell in a car though.
Anything over 9kg must be carried in a trailer, truck or ute in the upright and secure position. Failure to secure can mean a fine. Commercial quantities as described in the DG act require suitable cradles for transport.
It is a big no no to transport them lying down. The amount of time I still see people doing so is just ridiculous.
Check you DG act for your state, I have just seen one of the guys state in SA his supplier would not let him carry more than 1. Not entirely conversant with SA DG rules but am sure it is the same x 2 in a vehicle.

Originally Posted by DeeJay

There are different "laws" for different states.
AFAIK, across Australia, you can carry 2x 9kg in a seperate vehicle enclosure (ie boot) for the purpose of refilling or exchange. Carraige of cylinders in the passenger compartment is a no no. ( ie Defender wagon)
Laying down of cylinders is also a no no as the relief valve must be able to vent off vapour, & laying it down puts the relief valve under liquid.
Thats not to say these rules aren't regularly broken. I was with 2 energysafe inspectors before Christmas when a Qld plated 4wd parked opposite us with 2 x 4.5 kg bottles strapped to the roof on thier side. The more senior inspector sure saw it & there was plenty of time to say something but he chose to ignore it. If was to say anything to the driver it would be to put some padding between the cylinder I the rack as it was metal to metal, Lets face it, if you put a 4wd on its side with a correctly stored cyl, its not going to be safe anyway.
You can carry 250 litre gross storage on the tray of an open vehicle before dangerous goods laws kick in. This is so a farmer can take 2x45kg's home from town. It used to be 500 litres.
You can also build in a gas compartment to your vehicle, these vent to the outside.
I've been in the LPG industry for 23 years now.

Cheers, David

David,
The bit about not carrying in a wagon is a contentious one and it actually states should be carried in a boot/tray rather than in the passenger compartment and by this I would take it you can but it is not recommended. Slightly open to interpretation I suppose.

Originally Posted by CraigE

David,
The bit about not carrying in a wagon is a contentious one and it actually states should be carried in a boot/tray rather than in the passenger compartment and by this I would take it you can but it is not recommended. Slightly open to interpretation I suppose.

Yes, I was modifying that comment when you posted, it's contentious because the Vic authorities (& NSW) wont go on record. I think the 2WE to 3YE change is relevant.