Thread: Sugestion to abandon 4WD

More people die from suicide each than transport accidents, and yet I don't hear ACA, pollies etc going all out about supporting mental health. It seems that every year I see more speed cameras and less money allocated for mental health.

I guess its because you can fine people when they drive, but you can't fine people who need help.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

To put it in perspective, I think the article referred to thirteen deaths, ten due to four wheel drives or other large vehicles, in ten years. Compare this, for example, with the number of deaths of similar age children in swimming pools over the same period. I don't know the number, but it is much higher. Should we get rid of swimming pools?

John

The rules about swiming pools here, is that they must be fenced so kids cant get to the side of the pool and fall in.
has anyone noticed how the sections of pool fence if turned 90 degrees, can look like the protection grids over some 4x4 lights.

So if a kid accidently rides their bike flat out into a pool fence, what is the outcome ?

I live directly under the flight path of the rescue helicopters. They are too often called on to take a bandage out to a bushwalker, that has just realised that they have not allowed enough time for their trip, to get home to go to work the next week. The cost of these unnecessary trips by the rescue personnel, is very quickly causing the whole rescue effort to be questioned.

Shouldn't we ban walkers instead ?

Cheers Arthur

Originally Posted by p38arover

My B-I-L is a Dr. and drives 200 Series turbo diesel. He's a nuclear physicist. I wonder if I can get him to write a pro-4WD article - and why they should be better nuclear powered.

I like it ...that would really cause con-fusion...

Just sent a letter to kidsafe

To Mark Stokes,

Please do yourself and some of your sponsors the courtesy of at least viewing their published data and studies before sprouting off about banning 4x4's. NRMA has a published study on the rearward visibility of cars and 4x4's, perhaps you might deign to look it ? Yes 4x4's should be fittied with rearward sensors (but then again audi's are?) as should many other vehicles.
You have picked 12 vehicle related fatalities out of over 3500 in the last 10 years in victoria alone, without looking at or ignoring by choice, the real picture. That picture is that 4x4s and their passengers are invloved in LESS accidents and have a LOWER injury rate than those in other vehicles.
The other massive flaw in your attempt at media grabbing is the insurance rates. Go onto a online web site say NRMA and price the cost of insuring a $63,000 prado to an equvilent HSV at $63,000(almost $500 extra) BMW at $65,000($650 extra) or a 2.0 petrol Audi A4 is still 350 extra at the same value. To spell it out for you 4x4 owners are invloved in far less 2+vehicle accidents where they are at fault and the damage to the vehicle and the occupants inside is lower so it is cheaper to insure them. Insurance companies are out to make a profit and that is reflected in the costs of insuring each vehicle so the more at fault and easily damaged(/ stolen/car-jacked) a car is the more it will cost to insure. Go to a few of the major insurers and try to get a policy on a WRX STi it will either be extremely expensive or rejected totally depending upon year.
In the future please make a better considered statement than the shock jock style less than half a percent(LOWER THAN 0.5%) of the deaths on our road's in the last 10 years where caused by 4x4's rant!

Was I a bit harsh?

Originally Posted by frantic

Just sent a letter to kidsafe



Was I a bit harsh?

Well done, just a bit polite I guess

Well done Frantic polite but factual.

Love to see a Nuclear powered car, don't go over 85mph though. Imagine the Summernats, would it still be called a burnout comp?

Nah i reakon it would be a fallout comp

Originally Posted by dobbo

You can't get Elantras anymore but the modern day versions of them are that safe I'd dare say I'd prefer to be in an accident in one of them as opposed to a 110.


Even the bargain budget 12k Hyundai's have ESP and airbags.

Dobbo, go to a few high speed accidents involving so called small safe cars. You may change your mind. Especially with head ons and trees.