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    Sully Guest

    Heating & Cooling options/opinions/advice

    Hey all,

    I'm looking for some advice on getting a ducted system put into my house. I'd like to hear your experiences in the pros & cons of the different types.

    I'm in a double brick house, with all internal walls also being brick. It has an insulated roof and polished pboards throughout.
    It has 9 rooms plus the hallway running down the middle of the house.

    Currently I'm running a gas wall furnace with electric fan at the end of the house, another gas wall furnace with electric fan that's been put in the fireplace at the other end of the house.
    In summer, cooling is supplied by a massive old "hang out of the wall" AC unit that's located up the back of the house. It does a good job of cooling the back rooms, but that's about it.

    OK, so I've establised that I would like a ducted system, I've eliminated that I don't want any evaporative systems as they create humidity, something that I don't really want on one of Melbourne's stupidly hot and humid days.

    My confusion comes with deciding whether I should go for a simple gas ducted system with around 6 vents from the ceiling for heating and get a couple of split system AC units for cooling in a few different rooms around the house, or if I should go for a reverse cycle AC ducted system.

    Can anyone provide and insight as to setup costs and ongoing operation costs for those two options?

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    Chris

    Rev cycle heat is not good. 15 x times amount of CO2 compared to Gas for heating
    Not to mentioned future cost of dirty Latrobe Valley Power
    Go the ducted, gas fired heating system with an add on DX ( refrig ) cooling coil.
    Make sure the ductwork and fans are oversized to suit the cooling load.
    Upgrade the flex duct insulation to 50mm thick.

    If you wanted to save on running costs , consider the following;

    A rotary ventilator or two to the roof space that shut off in winter

    Day/night zone separation. Switch over when one is not occupied.

    Maximise ceiling insulation to keep heat out and in as necessary.

    Maximise insulating property of House ( although yours is pretty good) by keeping any North and West sun off the house by way of shading , especially windows.

    Blinds, curtains etc to inside windows

    Run it at 19 degrees in winter ( put a jumper on ) and 25 degrees in Summer ( It will feel great compared to 40 outside!

    Hope that helps

    Pete

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    Sully Guest
    Thanks very much!

    OK, I was leaning towards gas ducted heating, but had no idea that a cooling component could be added to it.

    I've already got internal and external blinds installed - The external blinds are a saviour during summer, whereas during winder, retracting them to let the light and sun in is also very handy for warming the house during the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by land864 View Post
    Chris

    Rev cycle heat is not good. 15 x times amount of CO2 compared to Gas for heating
    Not to mentioned future cost of dirty Latrobe Valley Power

    [snip]

    Pete
    Really ?

    any links ?

    I've read that if an AC unit had a COP of 4 or better it was equivalent to gas.
    The smaller split systems from the good manufacturers exceed this, some are up to 5.71 now, and the big ones from the good manufacturers are very close to equalling it.

    Look For The "COP"
    You can find out how efficient a reverse cycle air conditioner or heat pump is by looking for its “coefficient of performance” or COP. This usually ranges from 1.5 to 4.5 and the higher the COP is, the more efficient the heater is.
    If the heater has a COP of 4 or more then every unit of heat it produces creates the same carbon emissions as gas heating.
    Electric vs Gas Heaters - Which Is Best?

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    Sully Guest
    Well, ducted gas with the add on cooling coil are probably out of the picture for me. $8k-$10k is too much.

    I think I'll be going for just a gas ducted system (with the ability to add on cooling at a later date if desired) and will consider a split system or two for summer if needed.

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