Thread: Banned the wearing of hoodies

I hate hoodies, don't like them, nor wear them, but be buggered If they should be banned, its merely an item of clothing, stereotyping at its finest

Fair enough there Ron,

Only up to a point though. I agree that children have been used to traffic lots of things flagrantly over a great many years indeed. You've got to ask yourself why was the child of a typical whitebread family on a run inside the continental U.S. subject to this. Especially since the child was targeted for the heightened attention and, allegedly, no-one else in the party. Surely a quick sniff from a substance detecting dog is far more sensible than a protracted pat down.

I agree with you about it being a good thing that police powers have been extended to demand the removal of facial coverings for identification purposes. Still a little puzzled as to why a security guard had a problem with a 4yo wearing a hoody. When was the last time you read a report anywhere of a 4yo child being armed and dangerous, or simply prosecuted as a threat to life, limb or property?

Security is about more than coffee and doughnuts. It requires a little thought into assessment of signs and signals. If people aren't up to the task they shouldn't be in the job. Harsh call? Maybe. Fair? Certainly.

Many years ago a companion of mine was selected for the "full search" when coming through Customs/Immigration at Melbourne. We were traveling for two weeks, on business, in S.E.Asia. After a number of days of constipation while we were away he exhibited the signs of a drug mule - so simple pick. Was he upset? Nope. What are the signs? Don't know myself though that's how they explained his selection as they apologetically left him later to continue his journey home. Proper training is great and, while it's fine to get the occasional innocent along the way if you get the "bad guys", you have to be able to think and rationalise first.

What the heck happened to common sense. My dad always used to say "common sense isn't!".

The world has gone mad I know. This does not excuse any of us from neglecting to properly use that few pounds of synapses we carry around in our skulls. Why is it that after fighting so hard for our freedoms we are so readily willing to give them up in this way? One rule for all so someone doesn't have to think. Are they serious? I thought most of us had more sense than that!

The last of the dinosaurs roamed the earth for 60 million years (and a total of about 120 million years all told). If the human race doesn't start to make use of the brain that got us to where we are now we'll be lucky to be here for 2 million years. We're doomed if we carry on like this!

Incidentally, the hoody has been with us since the 1930's. Why all of a sudden are we shy of them?

Cheers,
Iain

Originally Posted by Hymie

Ridiculous!!!!
I get Hoodies as promotional items for work and I buggered if I'm going to take mine off or be restricted as to where I can go.
If they ban the sale and manufacture of Hoodies and have a hoodie amnesty and buyback fair enough.
I spent 16 years in Australia's Army defending our freedoms and I'll be ****ed if any tinpot bureaucratic security guard frustrated cop wannabe is going to tell me where I can and can't go in a FREE COUNTRY!

So you're O.K with someone claiming to be (Christian born) Carnita Matthews supported by her advisor Mamdouh Habib making false accusations about Police while wearing a burka to hide her identity?

After all the burka is only a bit of clothing you fought for the right for them to wear!

Originally Posted by Hymie

Ridiculous!!!!
I get Hoodies as promotional items for work and I buggered if I'm going to take mine off or be restricted as to where I can go.
If they ban the sale and manufacture of Hoodies and have a hoodie amnesty and buyback fair enough.
I spent 16 years in Australia's Army defending our freedoms and I'll be ****ed if any tinpot bureaucratic security guard frustrated cop wannabe is going to tell me where I can and can't go in a FREE COUNTRY!

I also spent time serving our country, in the RAAF. When I was discharged, I became a security guard. I am still with the same company after 21+ years, and am now at the top of the pecking order, albeit in a totally different capacity. Wannabe cop? I dont think so. I work with the police a lot, and have the utmost respect for them.

As for wearing a hoodie INSIDE a shopping centre, it is private property. The owners of the centre have given instruction to the guards that no hoodies are to be worn up inside the centre. Full stop. The guards do not have the discresion to discriminate based on age.

IF the centre owners had issued an instruction that NO head-wear of any sort were to be worn inside thier centre, and this is touted as a condition of entry, then those are the rules. This would then mean, caps, hats, hoodies, or burka's. An instruction of this sort is not based on age, race or sex. IMHO, it would probably stand up in court.

For as many years as I can remember, there has been a notice at the entrance to banks that motorcyclists must remove their helmets before entering. Dont know about anyone else, but I have NEVER heard a word of complaint regarding this. But just wait until the local branch manager tries to stop people wearing other items of head-wear into their branch. Bet it makes the lead story on the news...

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

So you're O.K with someone claiming to be (Christian born) Carnita Matthews supported by her advisor Mamdouh Habib making false accusations about Police while wearing a burka to hide her identity?

After all the burka is only a bit of clothing you fought for the right for them to wear!

Eh?

I wear hoodies for work as promotional item, the only time I have the hood over my head is when I'm being shot at, they take a bit of sting out of the Paimntballs... if I go shopping on the way home and some peanut refuses me entry to KMart even though the hoods down it'll be their mistake.

Don't get me wrong, Carnita Matthews is a class "A" Pillock and deserves horsewhipping. I don't support the wearing of Burkhas and covering of heads in Public. Not for religious reasons anyhow.

Originally Posted by RangieBit

When was the last time you read a report anywhere of a 4yo child being armed and dangerous, or simply prosecuted as a threat to life, limb or property?

The Taliban have been proven to use children to deliver their bombs. Usually the promise of something like food is enough. They are also known to find intellectually disabled kids & adults for the same reason.

Originally Posted by RangieBit

Security is about more than coffee and doughnuts. It requires a little thought into assessment of signs and signals. If people aren't up to the task they shouldn't be in the job. Harsh call? Maybe. Fair? Certainly.

Harsh call - Yes. Fair? NO, not at all. If you think that security is all about coffee & doughnuts, then you have got no idea of what the job entails.

worse still,they have banned bikini's in supermarkets up here,only the girls though,now that discrimination

I live in Melbourne and love my Hoodies, and I'm nearly 50! They are great when I forget my beanie and it is 10 degrees and the wind is 30 knots (Today!)
Treat the problem not the symptom!