Carbon Tax. Well someone had to bring it up!

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Originally Posted by George130

Gillard is guilty of out right lying and I will not support or agree to the carbon tax.

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Yes agree, but both are, the only diference is that the majority of the parlamentarias believe that there have to be done something about, 50% of the members of the coalition agree with John Howar and Turnbull about ETS and so the members of the ALP with Rudd policy.
Things change not because they do not believe that something have to be done, changed because they like to keep their seat warm and be the representatives or their party.
The final agreement between the majority of the parlamentarias is doing something about and carbon tax will be if Gillard like it or not.

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Originally Posted by George130

Sorry I still do not believe the carbon tax has anything to do with polution or the governments wish to change things. This is just portraid this way so it is more palatable for people thinking they are doing their bit for the future of the planet and mankind.

Gillard is guilty of out right lying and I will not support or agree to the carbon tax.

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Jesus, you must absolutely despise Abbott then! :eek:

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Originally Posted by George130

Sorry I still do not believe the carbon tax has anything to do with polution or the governments wish to change things. This is just portraid this way so it is more palatable for people thinking they are doing their bit for the future of the planet and mankind.

Gillard is guilty of out right lying and I will not support or agree to the carbon tax.

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Lying...and thats never happened before in politics !

Turnbull wanted an ETS, Rudd wanted an ETS. Turnbull got ousted, Rudd got canned so Labor could win against Abbott, the man who has nothing to offer except fear and negativity. A little bit like Howard taking over the immigration debate and making Pauline Hansons views become mainstream (along with his party's children overboard lies).

Who would want to be a politician ? You'd think some of them might want to actually try to make things better.

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Originally Posted by gunny

Lying...and thats never happened before in politics !

Turnbull wanted an ETS, Rudd wanted an ETS. Turnbull got ousted, Rudd got canned so Labor could win against Abbott, the man who has nothing to offer except fear and negativity. A little bit like Howard taking over the immigration debate and making Pauline Hansons views become mainstream (along with his party's children overboard lies).

Who would want to be a politician ? You'd think some of them might want to actually try to make things better.

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I think that most go into politics with good intent, but as a junior they are quickly corrupted by the game of doing anything to get into power and then to stay in power. We see that fairly clearly in political documentaries such as child overboard.

From the little I have read of the Tax, I stand to loose both first up due to my income putting me out of the tax cut section,

And secondly when the tax on Fuel comes in in 2 yrs time, im going to cop it with the rough end of a pineapple with no lube to soften the pain.

Living in Darwin we will cop it even more due to the amount of produce road freighted in, so it will hurt even more..

I do agree that the ball needs to start rolling in regards to tackle climate change, but fail to see how this scheme can even fund itself.

I am concerned that it will end up being another insulation debarcle, and the loosers will be the Tax payers again.

Saying that the ACCC is going to be given the power to stop price gouging is just another joke that unfortunately isnt funny...Haven't seen them do a single thing about the fuel costs yet.

Cheers Ean

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Originally Posted by Ean Austral

I do agree that the ball needs to start rolling in regards to tackle climate change, but fail to see how this scheme can even fund itself.

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Whys that?

The last that I read was the start up cost is about $3bn and then its generally neutral.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Unfortunately steel is about 2000t of CO2 for every 1000t of Steel :eek:

So anything with metal is going up;)

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I posted that a couple of pages back. 2t/t. So yes - steel should go up by $46/tonne.

Aluminium on the other hand, is 7t/t at best. So aluminium will be almost $200/tonne more expensive, which makes steel look cheap!

Glad I have already put a deposit on my new plate boat so they can't increase the price on me! :eek:

(but $100 - 200 extra on a 5m plate hull isn't a lot)

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Whys that?

The last that I read was the start up cost is about $3bn and then its neutral.

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The last I read was in the first 2yrs it falls $4bn short. We are also assuming that the figure on the rising costs being passed on are correct.
This is where the ACCC will need to pull its finger out.

As I said, I am not the full bottle on it, but who is, and I am only looking at it from my own personal impact..Time will tell.

I just feel that attacking the so called big polluters head on would be a far better approach.

Cheers Ean

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Originally Posted by Ean Austral

And secondly when the tax on Fuel comes in in 2 yrs time, im going to cop it with the rough end of a pineapple with no lube to soften the pain.

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Ouch not a nice thought !

I dont know what the end pain will be, and like you we may not see the benefits of tripling the tax free threshold etc.

There's one summary offered by one of the NSW Universities (with no added opinion) here.

If you think nothing should be done its a pointless debate, but for the sake of the argument if you think something should be done, and as the opposition does not offer any real alternatives (except for the not now excuse) where does it leave us (remembering that an ETS was supported by both camps not so long ago) ?

Perhaps Ean but look up the option, 25 billon on tax to us to give to the polluters to lift their game :(
An these proposal will bring the budget to a rock bottom and it is not supported by half of the members of the party.
Look today news and you will see : Turnbull highlights Abbott's climate change indecision - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
I do not believe any more in giving money to the big companies, remember what happens with Mitsubishi in SA, we give them heaps of money and at the end they walked out even bringing people from oversea to pull the factory apart :mad: