Carbon Tax. Well someone had to bring it up!

**pfillery** · 11th July 2011, 06:53 AM

It is probably with as much interest as everyone else that I watched details over the weekend of the carbon tax that is coming.

Made me think. If the big polluters are to be charged a tax for not being environmentally friendly, instead of the government taxing them, they up their prices to us and the government gives us a kickback, why doesn't the government rule that they cannot increase their prices due to the tax, and make this enforcable by the ACCC etc. If the object is to stop them polluting which is what they have been saying all along, this would be the way. Wouldn't you do what you could to change your ways rather than pay a tax you couldn't pass on?

The way it stands, it's like a tradesman, say an electrician, charging you an extra $210 for the callout because he got fined for speeding on the way to your house. I'd tell him where to go and I'm sure everyone else would too. Same goes for the tax - stop them passing it on, make them justify any supposedly unrelated price increase, fix their prices for a couple of years and even name them publicly, so customers support the ones being more responsible. they rate our schools to enable choices so why not big companies as well.

Opens the way for other methods of power generation such as nuclear power.

**vnx205** · 11th July 2011, 07:12 AM

Does anyone want to predict how long it will be before this thread needs to be moved to the Soapbox because it deteriorates into the usual political rants instead of thoughtful discussion about the economics, the science or implementation of the tax?

**Redback** · 11th July 2011, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by vnx205

Does anyone want to predict how long it will be before this thread needs to be moved to the Soapbox because it deteriorates into the usual political rants instead of thoughtful discussion about the economics, the science or implementation of the tax?

Wait till Stevo sees it

**rovercare** · 11th July 2011, 07:41 AM

Carbon tax, great idea, they've already created a market of nothing, which the end consumer always pays

**solmanic** · 11th July 2011, 08:07 AM

Why, in all the media storm and political argy-barge, hasn't anyone just clarified that if we cut our own personal consumption we will pay less? Surely this is the whole ****ing point!? Everyone seems so paralytic with rage at the thought of spending another $10 a week due to the tax, they overlook the simple fact that they have ultimate control over whether or not to spend that $10.

Yes, this is definitely headed for the soapbox.

**Slunnie** · 11th July 2011, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by pfillery

Opens the way for other methods of power generation such as nuclear power.

This is what I thought also when they were talking of closing the dirtiest coal power plant in the world. It makes sense, but will the peoples agree.

**Slunnie** · 11th July 2011, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by solmanic

Why, in all the media storm and political argy-barge, hasn't anyone just clarified that if we cut our own personal consumption we will pay less?

I live in cold climate, and my new house has R6 batts, double glazing throughout and the living room and master bed all pick up sun all day and I run Compact Fluro down lights and a heat pump HWS. The electricity cost to run this house is the same as the old house, but I have no gas heating bill - so about $800 per year cheaper as a guess.

**rovercare** · 11th July 2011, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by solmanic

Why, in all the media storm and political argy-barge, hasn't anyone just clarified that if we cut our own personal consumption we will pay less? Surely this is the whole ****ing point!? Everyone seems so paralytic with rage at the thought of spending another $10 a week due to the tax, they overlook the simple fact that they have ultimate control over whether or not to spend that $10.

Yes, this is definitely headed for the soapbox.

What about those who already conserve? It's a tax that's passed onto the end consumer, that is all

**bee utey** · 11th July 2011, 08:37 AM

I like the way the tax will be levied on fuel used for domestic flights but not international flights, as if it isn't a world wide issue.

**Hymie** · 11th July 2011, 08:57 AM

The talk on ABC radio in Gippsland is the move from "Dirty" Coal to "Clean" Gas generation of electricity.

We have coal to last 500 years at current usage rates and gas to last 15 years.
Would it not be better to invest in modern technology such as the German BOA brown coal power station that have significantly lower emissions.
http://anlecrd.com.au/uploads/file/B...HRL%20Tech.pdf

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