Carbon Tax. Well someone had to bring it up!

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Originally Posted by bacicat2000

What I don't see in the whole "We must shut down Hazelwood Power Station" argument, is what is the alternative? Hazelwood produces a quarter of Victorias power, and is the Latrobe Valleys second biggest power station. We already struggle to provide peak power in the Summer with this station still producing its designed maximun output of 1600MW. That's a lot of power to just switch off, and a replacement - coal, nuclear, whatever would take at least a decade to get running if someone decided to start today. Also, no one seems to be putting thier hands up to build anything else - the State Government doesn't want a bar of it, and I don't see anyone in the private sector getting excited about that prospect. This is likely to become a much bigger political football before someone sorts this whole mess out.

I don't see the carbon tax reducing electricity demand by 25%... not now, and not in the future...

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I wondered the same. I don't think anything will be getting decommissioned too soon. I'm sure Swan has said that this will be going out to tender shortly though.

Why is this not in the "soapbox" already?

Or is it just that it has been bashed to death there we may get a different public here? one that doesn't contirbute to the "Liberal voting 2GB listening right wing gun totting ban the burqa freedom of speech as long as it's mine budgie smuggler wearing" group!
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And yes, I do like a nice and lively debate as much as the next soapboxer...

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Originally Posted by Marshall

Why is this not in the "soapbox" already?

Or is it just that it has been bashed to death there we may get a different public here? one that doesn't contirbute to the "Liberal voting 2GB listening right wing gun totting ban the burqa freedom of speech as long as it's mine budgie smuggler wearing" group!
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And yes, I do like a nice and lively debate as much as the next soapboxer...

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We can't have all the contentious topic's mate....you bleeding heart, refugee loving, labour voting, ranga loving, same sex marriage advocating pillock :p,

Regards

Stevo

P.S. Sea FM or JJJ thank you...everything else...spot on ;)

We'll all be rooned ...

... lamb will rise by 11 cents a kilo. That means that the 2 kilo leg of lamb I have to buy to feed my family will cost me 22 cents more ...

we'll all be rooned ... before the year is out.

Cheers
KarlB
(with apologies to bush poet John O'Brien, alias Patrick Joseph Hartigan, Roman Catholic priest, and of course Hanrahan)

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This debate sure gets them out of the closet. On the ABC online the subject was opend for a short time for public comment.

One of the "I'm alright and it makes me feel good caring for the environment" contributor suggested that we can offset the cost of the tax by all going out and buying appliances that use less power.

Now let me see. An average family sized refrigerator costs around $1,000, perhaps it will be 10% more efficient, the fridge is one of about 4 essential appliances (not including TV and aircon or heating), remember most households have already installed hi-efficiency lighting, so his rationale that to save less than about 2% of household costs we dispose of a working appliance and spend twice what the tax would impose.

Do they not realise that most people already consider the efficiency of new appliances, but buying new does not offset carbon because they are still made in China or other excessive CO2 producting countries and shipped to Australia using CO2 producing ships and transport.

Just my two cents worth, but why doesn't all this carbon escape through that hole in the ozone layer that we were warned about?

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Originally Posted by Davie

Just my two cents worth, but why doesn't all this carbon escape through that hole in the ozone layer that we were warned about?

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Please keep it quiet, now some one will come with the ozone tax :D

We may soon see another first in this country - A Prime Minister Assassinated:wasntme:

This tax is simply a tax... Nothing more.... Do we fly less because of fuel excise? Do we drive less?

And the words "On average" well guess what city dwellers... People outside your concrete village dont fit into the average model...

We have increased transport costs, fuel, food, building materials.... For us the impact is well above average...

Sorry but this is all ****....

Whilst we live in a Capitalist society / world we can NOT have a reduction... It defies economics...

New car... New TV.... New phone.... etc etc....

Reduce pollution... BUY LESS OFTEN.... Its the ONLY way... Consume less, want for less, re-use more.... Just like Great Grandad did :cool:

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Originally Posted by Davie

Just my two cents worth, but why doesn't all this carbon escape through that hole in the ozone layer that we were warned about?

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You post reminded me of these wonderful lines from a poem by Spike Milligan:

There's a hole in the sky where the rain comes in
but it's ever so small - that's why rain is thin.

Cheers
KarlB
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