Ban wire barriers !!!!!

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Originally Posted by gusthedog

But they are not effective with trucks, vans and 4 wds!

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Very effective. The first impact in NZ was a truck on the southern motorway in AK. There was much in the press on how this truck ( fully laden) had snapped rope and become entangled and had traveled about 1/2 a klm from its initial point of impact. what was not reported was that. at no time did the truck enter the path of oncoming traffic, nor did it topple, launch or lose its load or part of. no injury was reported with the exception of the driver of a car in the same lane that was the initial cause of the accident.

There were plenty of similar instances with the old cement barriers. The results being borderline road carnage involving vehicles and deaths on both sides of the road.

With 4x4s, with there tendency to have larger diameter wheels, launching and over riding cement or Amoco barriers would be the high on the risk list. With rope barriers this risk is eliminated.
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I must say I have a friend that went under armco while still effectivly in a riding position on the bike (bike on right side though) and broke his left leg when he went under. The major issue was the location of the accident and medical care (Laos) rather than the actual accident. Armco didn't move, apparently they unbolted it, moved him and replaced it.

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"In all simulations the motorcycle slides along the wires until it hits a post, squeezing and trapping the rider’s leg against the wires as it does so. The post contact causes the motorcycle’s front wheel to snag lifting the front of the motorcycle up and throwing the rider’s torso and head forward. Because the rider’s leg is trapped between the motorcycle and the wire ropes and the foot snags in the ropes, the head and torso slap into the front of the rising motorcycle. Eventually the leg becomes free as the motorcycle rotates and the rider is then catapulted over the barrier. This is a different result to the concrete barrier where the rider was thrown over the barrier with relatively little snagging or deceleration."

Motorcycles - Deadly Rope Barrier's - motorcycle's posterous

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Would be interesting to see how this bloke would have fared with a wire rope barrier...atgatt baby..

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OK they are different to what i was involved with. the posts were wooden and had more wire. as well as the ropes were side mounted

What if they used a wire netting instead of the strand of rope. Could run to the ground and catch the rider and bike. Would still catch cars as well, could be smaller gauge wire instead but that may cause more damage. Perhaps a plastic flat webbing netting similar to what you see as pedestrian baracading.

As far as motor vehicles are concerned, the videos I have seen...where wire barriers have been used in an attempt to separate oncoming traffic...proves it is a FAIL. They obviously only use this stuff as it's cheaper...(the NZ protest ride video, the gibberer at the end is a classic).

I agree, when on a bike...everything is a danger. The old bloke in the hat driving a Volvo, the fat soccer mother in her 7 seater with 8 kids, tram lines, directional arrows on the road etc. But surely we should be looking at lessening the potential for injury/death rather than increasing that potential? I see these wire barriers as increasing. My https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...011/07/825.jpg

This is what happens when a car hits a rope barrier.
My daughter hit this one at 70km/h in the wet. On the link road from Swansea to the F3.
Every Panel including the roof, except the drivers door and the front right mudguard, were scratched by the wire.
The impact bent the front suspension. Insurance company wrote the vehicle off. Not economical to repair.

regards

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Two kids in back seat, nobody injured, thankfully.

I think the last sentence is key, at least for car drivers.