Thread: Ban wire barriers !!!!!

Ron,
my guess is that she spun the car on the wet road and hit the wire almost going sideways, hitting with the front left first, spinning clockwise.

By the way, you should see her new car, it will be the only Holden Cruze CDX in green, it is the new series II built in Aus, and since she got it last week, they have discontinued that colour. She will have the only one around in your area, and possibly only one in Sydney.

Mini Poll; Should the cruze given it's mid size have been the next Torana?

Glad to both her and the kids are ok and already in new wheels. Nothing worse than kids and no car.

As a mid size, it is quite deceptive, bigger than I imagined.

I have seen a couple racing in the UK on TV, against Beemers etc, they do alright.

The CDX has all the fruit, including heated leather seats, and stability control, etc, should stop her spinning out again. Nice car, and she loves it.

She had to buy a $1000 bomb to get by. As delivery kept getting delayed, they lent her an older crumbledoor, had that a month until it failed, they then lent her a new Captiva for several weeks.

Originally Posted by clubagreenie

Nothing worse than kids and no car.

Umm, car and no kids?

Brian, based on your daughter's account and the pictures, do you think the cable is capable of stopping oncoming traffic (cars/trucks, not motorcycles) from crossing through the wire and colliding with each other?

This is one of the inappropriate installations I was thinking of.
I pass this several times per week and it remains to this day an obvious danger.

Originally Posted by 85 county

Your comment is invalid

Check your data before you start swinging accusations around big fella.

Have a look at this:
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv.../05-0149-O.pdf

"Statistics both in Australia and Sweden are
highlighting their excellent crashworthiness
characteristics particularly on rural roads and
freeways (Larsson et al, 2003) with as much as 90%
reduction in fatalities wherever they are installed.
However, despite this good record, there are still
some contentious issues regarding the use of such
systems. The first concerns motorcycle safety which
is discussed in another ESV paper (Berg et al, 2005).
The second issue concerns vehicles under riding the
wire ropes (Figure 5) for various reasons including
inadequate rope tension because of poor
maintenance and/or installation. The third issue
concerns whether such barriers can adequately

redirect rigid and articulated trucks."

I did not mention concrete barriers or steel barriers. I was simply referring to the data which suggests that wire rope barriers dont always work. Particularly for heavy vehicles and those with a high COG.

If they are so safe for 4wd then how bout this:

Burrumbeet crash: anger over wire barriers - Local News - News - General - The Courier

"Two people died on Friday night when the four-wheel drive they were in careered through a wire-rope barrier and into trees"

They have been shown to be effective as median barriers - but not on corners. Why are they still being installed as corner barriers I ask you??

Also a more motorcycle focused report:

http://www.umcinc.com.au/uploads/Gua..._org__p=13.pdf


Seriously though all Im suggesting is that no single means of vehicle safety barrier is going to be failsafe. I still believe that wire rope barriers are not the answer. Primarliy because I ride a bike I suppose and want to keep all my bits attached.

Originally Posted by MickS

Brian, based on your daughter's account and the pictures, do you think the cable is capable of stopping oncoming traffic (cars/trucks, not motorcycles) from crossing through the wire and colliding with each other?

Mick,
Dont know about large trucks, but certainly it stops large cars from crossing onto the other side of the road. My daughters car was spinning out of control towards the oncoming traffic, the wires did their job and prevented her crossing to the wrong side of the road. She ended up facing the wrong way in the right hand lane in the direction she was travelling.

Large trucks?, I dont know, the wires seem to be too low to stop say a B-double. Maybe if the wires rapped around the wheels, it may work.