Thread: Interesting Oil supply theory

Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

You out there JD?
Whats your take on Fracking?

I'm not JD, but I have no problem with it if is conducted among consenting adults.
Wagoo.

I can tell you that Fracking is a very nasty business i have been on rigs offshore when the chemicals are put down the hole. A lot of nasty stuff ends up down there.
What we need to ask our selves on shore is;
Do you like clean water?
Are you prepared to risk contamination of the water table?
Do you like the idea of intractable toxins in the food growing areas of our nation?
Do you trust oil companies?
Do you believe oil is running out?
Do you trust Chinese companies that are buying up vast tracts of Australias prime farm land to do the right thing below the surface of the earth?

After 20 years working offshore i am convinced we have more than enough Gas offshore to keep Australia going for 300years. Just one field off the WA coast that is as yet not in production has estimated reserves of 90 years production (100% Japanese owned)
Where does oil come from? Dont believe what you learned at school its all crap;Take a look at this;
Abiogenic petroleum origin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grab his book Deep hot Biosphere.

ABC had a doco on fracking in the US recently, the problems it's caused anyway.

‪GASLAND Trailer 2010‬‏ - YouTube

It'd be good to chase a copy down if that interests you.

Hey RRP38,

I took a read through that linked article, but it went way over my head!

Can you precis the article in a few sentences in a more basic way?

Thanks
David

Hydraulic fracturing has been used for at least fifty years in the oil and gas industry. Any problems such as groundwater contamination do not relate to the fracturing itself but to problems with the well completion, typically poor cementing. Formations that are hydraulically fractured are not aquifers in the first place, and if they already contain hydrocarbons, then the water from the formation is already "contaminated".

As to how much additional oil is available as a result of its use - almost certainly unknown; any figures quoted are either straight guesses or doubtful extrapolations from known data. You need to bear in mind that it is a waste of a company's money to prove reserves beyond the amount needed to justify the production infrastructure. Anything beyond that is either "indicated" or "potential". And governments and national oil companies around the world have a very poor record for the accuracy of published figures - these are usually based on politics rather than science.

John

Originally Posted by B92 8NW

ABC had a doco on fracking in the US recently, the problems it's caused anyway.

‪GASLAND Trailer 2010‬‏ - YouTube

It'd be good to chase a copy down if that interests you.

I also saw this doco and it's bloody scary what they are doing over there.

Whats more scary is that it could happen here in Australia just as easily in the chase for the mighty investment dollar.

I'm all for oil production as it is what my industry is based around but I don't think fracking is worth while when under ground water supply and the environmental health of the area is put into irreparable risk to do it.

I think there is potential to make more biologically safe ways of running vehicals, energy supplies and industry more economical than resorting to fracking and for that matter oil sands extraction.

If in some way they could do it safely chemical wise, then there is still the issue of the shifting of ground water making areas of sink holes and unstable land so by every way you look at it it's not a good thing.

I have looked into it a bit since seeing Gasland and found that they push it to investors on the grounds that they can reproduce from a well using fracking for only a percentage of what it costs to find and drill new wells and the investors are not usually local to the areas where they are doing it and most of the time are international so wouldn't give a hoot about ruining some ones life, property and living since it's legal and they will make a coin out of it.

I'm not a fan.

Cheers Casper

Originally Posted by B92 8NW

ABC had a doco on fracking in the US recently, the problems it's caused anyway.

‪GASLAND Trailer 2010‬‏ - YouTube

It'd be good to chase a copy down if that interests you.

and the rebuttal---

‪The Truth About Gasland‬‏ - YouTube

Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

and the rebuttal---

‪The Truth About Gasland‬‏ - YouTube

Have you ever seen the TV show the Gruen Transfer?

Yes all Doco's, statistics and reports are edited to say what the producer of the said article wants it to say but there are a few things left out of that nice and shiny advert.

In Australia and in most of Europe it is illegal to discard or spill engine coolant on the ground due to it containing Ethyl Glycols which are a major contaminant to natural water ways.

One of the chemicals found in the tap water along with Tolueen was Methyl Ethyl Glycol which is used as a lubricant and coolant in the fracking process.

Now for them to say that the fracking has nothing to do with the contamination of the tap water when these chemicals are not commonly found underground in ground water unless put there then either some one is going around poisoning wells or someone is not being very truthful in their interpretation of what is going on.

Either way, I wouldn't want it on my property or anywhere near my drinking water supply.

If they really had nothing to be worried about then they just would have sued the doco maker for defamation and stopped the film from ever being aired.

The fact that they went and made a mini doco them selves with a lot of glitzy happy faces and pristine wilderness shots and not a sign of the wells, trucks nore the pollution that is around those wells etc says that they don't think that it is a very nice environment and would not sell their product to the public so by that it says to me they are guilty of something.

It also shows that Gasland forced the hand of government to react to growing public pressure over fracking, as there were too few public in the areas that it was happening that they were just ignored previously so they then regulated the industry and made them report what they were putting in the ground.

I don't at all think that the advert you linked up is anything but insulting to the average thinking person and should be taken with a grain of salt and seen for what it is, damage control.

Cheers Casper