Carbon Tax on it's way through the House.

Well Bob Brown’s whore got her way, for now.

There is a long time between now and when this new tax comes into play and if we get lucky and have a change of government first, even with the new governments lack of numbers to revoke the new tax, they can instruct the taxation office not to collect it.

So all we can do is wait and see.

As a side note, did anyone see the interview with Lindsay Fox last week.

He was saying that over the last fifteen years, his trucking companies had reduced their carbon output by 60% but a carbon tax would mean they would no longer have the money available to develop even greater reductions.

Yep the carbon tax will be real good for everybody, HOW?

I don't have any issue with pricing/taxing carbon/polluting technologies to drive demand for cleaner alternatives.
I do have a problem with the way the money collected is circulated.
No good taxing 'the big polluters' then giving allmost all of the money back to those controlling the actual consumption (that's you and me), so they can afford the increased charges.

First rule is: reduce consumption within your control.
So don't turn it on unless you actually need it, turn it off, turn it down, use it less where possible and appropriate.

Second rule is: make it better.
Replace inefficient or dirty technology with improved versions/alternative as appropriate and when available/affordable.

Follow these rules at an individual level and this has a much bigger (positive) impact than a handful of tax dollars doing the rounds.

Third rule: Private business won't do it unless there is money in it for them.
So governments around the world must invest directly in R&D and pilot schemes for cleaner or more efficient technologies.
This is where the taxes collected must go.

Sometimes life does need to be tough.

Back in my day.....walked 6 miles.....rant....rant...hobby horse......soapbox etc.......

How many of you have air conditioning and / or refrigeration at home or in your business?
Care to guess what's going to happen to the price of refrigerant with this new tax?

Great day for Australia and the planet :twobeers::twobeers::banana:

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Great day for Australia and the planet :twobeers::twobeers::banana:

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Yep in 39 years we will be producing 0.0289% less of the Worlds CO2. (Yes that is less than 3 hundreths of one percent of the World's CO2, using Aust Government projections.)

Worth every cent of the $420 billion dollars Tax we will pay over the next 37 years.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Yep in 39 years we will be producing 0.0289% less of the Worlds CO2. (Yes that is less than 300ths of one percent of the World's CO2, using Aust Government projections.)

Worth every cent of the $420 billion dollars Tax we will pay over the next 37 years.

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Heaps better that the alternative, more than 600 billon dollars pay by the workers to "assist the polluters to find a smart way to reduce emissions.
An in the top of that he said that he will remove any help to ofset the cost. ;)

In any case, we whent trough about this in the other thread so now it is time to celebrate :cool:

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Heaps better that the alternative, more than 600 billon dollars pay by the workers to "assist the polluters to find a smart way to reduce emissions.
An in the top of that he said that he will remove any help to ofset the cost. ;)

In any case, we whent trough about this in the other thread so now it is time to celebrate :cool:

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Glad that Juliar will be giving me a nurse, $3 to off-set the hundreds of dollars of cost. It's more an insult than anything else.

I haven't voted Liberal for 30 years but I sure will be next election.

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Glad that Juliar will be giving me a nurse, $3 to off-set the hundreds of dollars of cost. It's more an insult than anything else.

I haven't voted Liberal for 30 years but I sure will be next election.

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It is your choice and right,
Good on you, Abbot will take you the $3.00 and will add more cost to your living because his plan cost morfe that the Carbon Tax policy.
You will work to pay the polluters.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

I haven't voted Liberal for 30 years but I sure will be next election.

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I can’t stand Abbot, but as a small business owner, if I want to keep my doors open, we have to have a change of government and the sooner the better.

Has anyone including chucaro looked to where the ETS certificates will be coming from?
Who here likes the idea of PAYING for a MONSTER coal power station in india, at completion of all stages will produce over 4000mw!!!, who will onsell ETS certificates to us and europe because it is more efficient than the old power stations in india.
Yes thats right $500million to 1 power plant in india in ets certificates so they can produce over 600million tons of carbon.Dont worry that there are several other new COAL plants being built in the third world that are all lining up to suck our stupidity carbon tax dollars away:mad: Let alone the crippling to the aussie manufacturing and steel industry.
http://www.thinktosustain.com/Conten...aspx?id=%20111