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    HID H4 headlights

    Afrenoon all,

    I have just had a look at a HID H4 hi/low headlight bulb kit bought by a friend on Ebay.
    I offered to help install these when they arrived, (in an EA Falcon) but I am not really happy about it now that I have seen the kit.

    The quality of the wiring and ballasts seem ok, good sealed connectors, etc.
    The wiring is complicated but not a problem.

    My big concern is that the bulb unit is designed to move in and out via a solenoid to achieve main beam and dip, but the sideways location of the holder is minimal - there is about 2 mm clearance which translates to about +/-5mm at the bulb.

    There is no way this thing can achieve consistent focus.

    I can't believe this junk can be bought and installed in Australia.
    No wonder almost every HID equipped car I meet dazzles me.

    Now what do I do? might have to refuse to install them.

    Terry

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    Just tell him that unless they are Australian ADR compliant, you won't install them,as you do not want to fit non-compliant lamps as they may contribute to an accident

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    Yes I can't for the life of me see how they could be compliant.
    They are HID bulbs in a light unit designed for filament lamps for a start.

    He wanted them to better spot kangaroos, which are a problem here, but I think he would be better off with a wide spread fog lamp, maybe with HIDs in them.

    This stuff coming out of China is a worry.

    Terry

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    HIDs in a standard headlight housing are NOT ADR - compliant. - The legal liability has been mentioned...

    They will dazzle other users, as you've noticed... and even OME, LEGAL ones are a pain in the sit-upon (never mine the eyes!)

    Bring the headlights & globes up to standard for Low beam...then fit everything he wants, spots, fogs, 5000 watt HIDs and a three-phase arc lamp.... - on the HIGH beam

    I had a set of these, and yes, you're correct. The beams were never 101% in the same place every time. Took them out and went to H4 'Plus 50'. - Now you can get 'Plus 100' for under $70 pair.

    James in Gosnells

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    As has been stated, retrofitting HID lights is not legal. All legal HID's have self levelling headlights and must have washer jets. They also have a different reflector.

    Dave.

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    Yes I agree guys,
    I am going to suggest that he return them for a refund.

    Cheers,
    Terry

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    Not quite correct guys....

    The vehicles lights must be self leveling - BUT this can be achieved if the VEHICLE is self leveling - So an SLS equipped Discovery 2, a P38 or later air suspended Land rover can be retrofitted with HID headlights.

    And this wack-on BS about HID globes in non HID housings is beginning to give me the "Joe Blitz".

    The Arc is very small, yes it has a slight curve, but is no worse than some low end halogen bulbs that people are fitting to headlights.

    If the HID globe is located at the correct focal point as the original filament it replaces then the difference in light spread is so negligible that I doubt it is noticed by the normal user.

    Its more to do with intensity of light, and proper aiming of said light assemblies.

    The average bulb is weak enough that if slight misaligned doesn't tend to bother most road uses... A bright (including the +50 & +100 bulbs) light that isnt correctly aligned is dazzling - regardless...

    In all the driving I do around here, most dazzling lights are normal halogen versions - either poorly aligned or cheap globes that are poorly built, manufactured and focused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Whippy View Post
    As has been stated, retrofitting HID lights is not legal. All legal HID's have self levelling headlights and must have washer jets. They also have a different reflector.

    Dave.
    Not true...

    Projector type lenses are different, but conventional reflector set ups are used for both source types

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Not quite correct guys....

    The vehicles lights must be self leveling - BUT this can be achieved if the VEHICLE is self leveling - So an SLS equipped Discovery 2, a P38 or later air suspended Land rover can be retrofitted with HID headlights.
    ......
    Headlight wipers and washers are also required. I am not sure whether these are fitted to the vehicles indicated. And I suspect engineering approval will be required in most states as well.

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    Headlight wipers are not required - D3s etc with Xenons do not have them. Also while washers are a requirement - the RRS and I assume D3s etc only squirt the headlights one in seven times the washers are activated.

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