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pathetic that some out there still believe "We are here for a good time not a long time".
I am beyond sympathy, we get told over and over don't speed. don't drink, don't text etc etc, but they laugh and say it won't happen to them, you have better odds dying in a crash than winning the lottery, sooner of later their numbers come up, you just have to play the game of cheat death once too often.
What do have to do, take every new young driver who passes the driving test , to the morgue and pull out a few gadivas from road trauma and make them look before they are allowed to drive?
Apparently that does not work for the reason that you mentioned yourself. People are able to convince themselves that it won't happen to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by It'sNotWorthComplaining!
EDIT: I don't think it works with cadavers from a morgue either. :)
And that would not have slowed me down one bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by It'sNotWorthComplaining!
(and been in the hospital morgue, etc)
I was arrogant enough to know it wouldn't happen to me.
Luckily, it didn't. (and I only had a crotchety old ute that would top out at 135km/h, maybe 140 down a hill with a tail wind, but I'd had it sideways many, many times on dry bitumen at 130+.)
The ultimate top speed of the vehicle doesn't really matter.
What is needed is that kids need to be taught how to drive, not just pass a license test.
They need to know what a car will do in any given situation, wet, dry, constant radius and closing radius, off camber and dirt corners.
They need to be schooled at a driver training facility and shown that they aren't as good as they think they are, shown what a car will do and how to save it.
You won't stop them speeding, but you may just save quite a few lives. (although I doubt that in this case)
put the speed cameras on top of manned armoured vehicles with live ammo...
since your going to speed and endanger yourself and everyone else anyway I dont see a problem with giving darwin a little helping hand.
or instate power to weight ratios based on drivers capablility
There is research that suggests the younger mind (25 and less) is incapable of realising the real dangers associated with their actions. Sadly, nNo level of communication or restriction will stop this from happening.
Poleonpom, Yes there is an answer.
As Dave suggests, a more 'Draconian', staged limitation on p/w of the vehicles. Perhaps an additional L plate as the P's are .
L1= Basic Gumby limited to 80k/h & say 60kW/ tonne. Until passed what is currently the P plate test.
L2= 90k/h 75kW/t until current test + emergency avoidance/ stopping+ various surfaces.
As a Parent with a child transitioning on to Ps, I would be happy to pay $150 for a longer, more involved exam. His training consists of various vehicles, on/off road driving, mud, clay, gravel, freeway, done def driving skid pan work. He's had his learners for longer than his mates, but is a much better driver because of it.
Dave.
sad indeed....however i'm sure there are plenty of us on the forum that did similar things when they were young and got away with it.........
i remember reguarly doing 200km/hr in my HQ ute down appy straight when i was 17/18, why? because it was the done thing with my peers another example was the back road to wodonga, it claimed its far share of apprentices which we knew about and my employer even went to the trouble of placing a smash up car at the exit gate with a sign saying speeding kills but some still tried to beat the record, i would only have a half arsed go because i knew i didn't have the skills or the car
would i do it now....no way
why did i do it than......who knows, peer group pressure maybe
would i condone my boys doing it when they arrive at age 17....no way
was i lucky......you betcha
clowns? for all we know these kids could have been a couple of good kids that made a wrong decision at the time
The rest of the car is burned - so I assume it came off in the crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyC
And yet the last crash I had was approximately 65-70km/h but was not by any means "current technology" (87 model SAAB 900 2 door, they look like a cockroach and apparently can survive like one too) - no safety cells, no airbags, no seatbelt pretensioners and no crumple zones. Head on into a tree (it jumped out in front of me at the last minute), car was very minimally damaged in the scheme of things for a crash into a very rigid tree (bonnet, bumper and RHS guard creased, grille cracked, drivers door unable to open, radiator pushed back into gearbox and punctured, gearbox unable to be moved out of gear, cracked rigid injector line and one indicator/park light cracked. Plus one of the little wheel centre caps popped off and rolled away never to be seen again) Engine still ran on 3 cylinders and was still driveable albeit on one gear only. I was completely uninjured, not even a bruise, seatbelt did its job perfectly and a tonne of steel absorbed the impact as it was obviously designed to do. Written off as parts alone were 3x the insured value but the point of the story is that the speed and the object you hit plays little bearing, it is a combination of vehicle, hitting angle, and probably pure dumb luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMono