Passenger Car Safety Cells

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...011/12/373.jpg

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Am I the only person to question the validity of the photo?

As someone else mentioned earlier, "physics is physics" and I just cant see how a 2 - 3 ft diameter tree could rip appart the side of the car without bending the removed panels.

Also, at the speed the car was travelling at the point of impact (upto 200kph mentioned earlier) I suspect that the panel would be further away from the tree than its shown. (Based on my experience with a HGV travelling at 55mph launching my car (and me) down the motorway when I was doing about 20mph).

Person's shadow also looks long compared to the shadow cast on the car travelling away from photo.

Just looks odd!



Assuming it did actually happen though, it does make you wonder if this was a badly repaired write-off??


Jon

It's not a hoax guys, this happened.
Speculating and questioning the validity of it ain't going to make it go away.
You all need to show this article to you kids and drill it into them, HARD.

It's a shame they couldn't show the drivers crisped body still in his seat or where the passenger ended up with all the blood spattered all over the road.
My daughter went for her Learners Permit yesterday and failed it, she got a two hour session looking at road trauma images. Gave her a reason to get with the program.

Andrew.


Using Capitals, the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse or helping your uncle jack off a horse...

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Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Jon

Am I the only person to question the validity of the photo? ...

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John

These were some of my original thoughts, re: the shadows when you look at the car at left of field you see shadows in the same alignment.

Re: the position of the side. One wonders if it hasn't been moved (before Police arrived) to clear the obstruction of the roadway.

Re: the side coming away. ???????

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...011/12/371.jpg

The side of the vehicle seems to me to have a number of strong points. The outer guards would have relative strength parallel to the direction of travel, there would be a relative weakness along the engine side of the inner guard, the next point of resistance is the firewall which is only spot welded to the side frame and the glass of the screen used as part of the strength of the passenger cell. The tree hitting on the drivers side of centre at ~200KPH would progressively overcome the spot welds on the LHS acting almost like a knife through the the side away from impact. The actual LHS frame acts like a truss with internal strength and once again the roof and floor skins are only spot welded to the side frame. The boot and rear guards have come away but there seems to be a lot of deformation of the boot area of the side as it tore from the rest of the car. This is likely because a lot of the initial energy of the crash had already been dissipated by the time it got to the back of the vehicle and could not overcome the welds.

If the side had been removed in any attempt to free the occupants, remember the passenger was thrown from the car (possibly when the side came away), I believe you would see the LHS curved in a banana shape, The driver's side and driver took the full impact and there would be no hope of extrication.

I'm of the opinion the image is likely genuine.

Wont make any difference...

I been at "speed" more times than I care to remember...

Have I chosen my "places" that I have done this... Sort of...
Have the vehicles been suitably built for these speeds? Yes...
Was it safe? Probably not...

I'm bearing down on 40 soon, and still love the buzz of quick acceleration and speed...

I dont think its so much the speed, but knowing more when not to..

Ignoring legality - On urban roads, curves etc... is just stupidity..



You'll never remove the thrills of speed, or convince young people of most things - they have to find out by themselves.. Either by surviving or by a scare...


With advances in medical care, life expectancy etc... Something has to cull the herd - and Darwinism is it...

Two men, 20 and 19, die in high-speed Riverside Drive fireball | Perth Now

Well, I can see how someone could be sceptical , looking at the palm tree, blackened but not broken, yet a cyclone up north often breaks them, the vehicle being split down the centre is straight out of a disney cartoon. However, I listened to a WA. policeman talking about the accident on TV. He seemed genuine. There has not been any followup in the media as far as names, etc, that I have seen. This normally happens, but perhaps family has suppressed that. From what I have seen of local kids, they buy what they can afford, cheap as, heaps of crap, sometimes full of rust, perhaps that's it.

Just want to quote an article from the LR monthly, coincidentily , about the same subject. "official stats. show one 17 yr. old male driver in every 451 is killed or suffers serious injury before they reach their 18th birthday. one in 8 licence holders in Britain is under 25, yet one in 4 fatal and serious crashes involves a driver in this age group." The article goes on, but makes the point that most, if not all of the deaths are from kids driving high performance vehicles , mostly purchased for them by their parents. It goes on to say, Kids should have as their first vehicle, something like a series 3 LR. Not a foolish idea, if you really think about it.Bob

Already been named Bob, it's in the article.



Using Capitals, the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse or helping your uncle jack off a horse...

Was out and about on Stud Road Dandy to Rowville, heaps of cops in unmarked cars booking people and the amount of dickheads, speeding using mobiles and just general arrogance on the road was there just like every other year around this time.
Coming through a suburban street with a 60 kph zone a jacked up jeep driven by a young hoon approached at high speed, I flashed my lights at him, to make him think there was a speed camera near and get him to slow down, but I got the bird from him. These are the sort of drivers I want to pull out of their cars and give them a good whipping

On the original topic...

Passenger Car Safety Cells

another sad instance here In NSW....

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/toddler-an...222-1p624.html

even a Yota Pardo can't save a everybody if it is run into the back of a stationary streetsweeper at ? km/hr... photos show it fairly demolished...could have had roof etc removed by rescuers

interestingly - the police were keen to breath test the driver of the stationary sweeper

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Originally Posted by It'sNotWorthComplaining!

Was out and about on Stud Road Dandy to Rowville, heaps of cops in unmarked cars booking people and the amount of dickheads, speeding using mobiles and just general arrogance on the road was there just like every other year around this time.
Coming through a suburban street with a 60 kph zone a jacked up jeep driven by a young hoon approached at high speed, I flashed my lights at him, to make him think there was a speed camera near and get him to slow down, but I got the bird from him. These are the sort of drivers I want to pull out of their cars and give them a good whipping

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New England Hwy yesterday afternoon between Aberdeen and Scone.

Travelling north the road goes from dual lane to single, I'm doing 110km/h (100km/h zone) and start to indicate to move across as the lane ends.

A new, blue Mazda 626 wagon with mum (no kids at the time) is about five or so car lengths behind in the fast lane.
The nose of her car rises as soon as I indicate and I think "you have to be kidding" but I pause just to see what she does.

She keeps coming, I have to pull back as she doesn't back off at my rear 3/4 and I'm driving down the shoulder with a wheel on the grass so I don't push her out into the oncoming traffic, all at 110km/h.

Totally unnecessary and she remained roughly 1 to 1.5 seconds ahead of me for the rest of the 10km or so to Scone.
What did she gain ?

It isn't just young kids going fast.

Stupid ranges right across the age spectrum and you can't legislate against it.