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Remember we are talking about Mitsi Paj owners here, the subleties of the difference between real and soft Land Rover's may be a little to much information for them to absorb.Originally Posted by Ausfree
Holy crap Batman, as a previous FL1 KV6 owner it is not many times you hear people refer to a Freelander as a LandRover.
You usually get the smug remarks like "not a real LandRover" or "it's a Freeloader". ...<snip>
That the engine is an Austin design not a Land Rover one should be about as much as their poor grey matter can deal with.!
Diana
You won't find me on: faceplant; Scipe; Infragam; LumpedIn; ShapCnat or Twitting. I'm just not that interesting.
OldBushie
Remember we are talking about Mitsi Paj owners here, the subleties of the difference between real and soft Land Rover's may be a little to much information for them to absorb.
That the engine is an Austin design not a Land Rover one should be about as much as their poor grey matter can deal with.!
DianaI was getting carried away!!!
I think that is abit unfair Diana.
If you read their forum you will find that most are tolerant and have a lot of respect for landrovers and their owners. You get the odd one that doesn't like anything else, same as here.
I read their's and others Forums because I like to keep up with other Marks and their problems and how they cope with it. I gave away looking at toyota. Some people still think that the 3 ltr GU Patrol is a grenade. Well it has become fairly reliable and there is mods to make it a real goer and fairly bullit proof. They still have trouble loosing factory mag wheels, tho.
Jeez they are tough tho.
Their forum is very interesting, but would I own one now. No.
Nor do I expect to ever own a new Pajero, even tho I think they are a very good 4x4. Same with the new Merc but I would not own one.
I like Landrovers but do I really think they are God's gift ? Course not, but cripes I love mine.
Lotz-A-Landies, Yes I did put them straight a while ago.
To be fair to ol Mate, re read what he wrote. As he described what he found it sounds pretty frustrating if accurate.
Be interesting to hear from someone familiar with that engine as to whether those bits and pieces are unmarked and interchangeable as he described.
It is to hard to say from what he wrote whether or not he is fool but in any case I would leave that to someone else to point out.
Cheers.
Robert.
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Hi Robert
Sure I was a bit condescending, but my brother was a Mitsi faithful, he even went into Asquith & Johnson Land Rover dealers when I purchased my phase II classic (new) and sprouted how good Paj's were compared to RRc!
I must say that the Paj rear seating and how it would lay down flat, took another 25 years for Land Rover to accomplish the same in the D3 (although the Rover Co. Ltd did it in the 107 wagon in the 1950's, they just forgot about it in the SII)
Diana
You won't find me on: faceplant; Scipe; Infragam; LumpedIn; ShapCnat or Twitting. I'm just not that interesting.
Hi Robert
Sure I was a bit condescending, but my brother was a Mitsi faithful, he even went into Asquith & Johnson Land Rover dealers when I purchased my phase II classic (new) and sprouted how good Paj's were compared to RRc!
Diana
Ha, I see your point.
I have a Brother that owns a P38a and doesn't like Landrovers !!!
Brothers somehow seem to be on a different planet most of the time.
Although I must say that he does not have the same problem because my feet are firmly placed on the ground, eh.
Cheers.
Robert.
OldBushie
I love it!!
ForumSage
Agree. My 1995 RRC ($95k list price) has abominable leg-room in the rear, never mind the lack of headroom... compared to the 1995 Pajero Exceed ($35K) No apologies, but I cannot see the justification for the extra $60K
-My middle-sized kids do NOT like riding in the back of the Rangie, and the eldest (6 foot) flatly refuses to. - He permanantly 'borrowed' the old Paj in preference to the Rangie...
Oh yes, my '89 Paj rear seats fold down easily.. - but the rear section is bigger to start with anyway.
Interestingly, used car dealers were asking the same/more for the Pajero when I was having my Senior's Moment a year or so ago...
Super Moderator
You should have waited and bought the D3, or better still the D4!
You won't find me on: faceplant; Scipe; Infragam; LumpedIn; ShapCnat or Twitting. I'm just not that interesting.
YarnMaster
SupporterYou might find upon closer examination the the Mitsi that won the Paris Dakar towards the end of them being involved were worth over $US 500000.00 each even up to a million and the diffs , gearboxes, transfer boxes etc got changes every 1500kms etc between stages and only had the name on the car being original Mitsi as they were eventually made from space age stuff in the end, I remember reading about an Ozzie bloke who won the same type series of rallies in Oz and got "invited" to the Paris Dakar by Mitsi and he comments that his complete car (value $250000.00 from memory) was equal in value only to one corner of the factory cars!!! so it was not a level playing feild and not the road going Mitsi that we know that won the rally, only in the late 1970s or early 1980s were cars really near standard in that race.
1979 a range rover (near standard) won overall and you can see the old landcruiser in it was well and thens slowly pregressed from near standard to factory racers
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tYJicKkYJw"]The Paris-Dakar 1979-1997 (1/7) - YouTube[/ame]
and a renault car in 1982
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIkqDhAGkEc"]Paris-Dakar 82 - YouTube[/ame]
ChatterBox
SubscriberI think you're all being a bit harsh on this 'Darwinian' mechanic.
People expect pommy cars to be difficult to work on because, well, they have been in the past. And when something difficult or quirky is involved it just re-inforces this notion.
To remove the Defender gearbox/TC/bell housing is no more difficult than any other 4WD BUT the angle it needs to be tilted to do this is truly frightening. No other vehicle I've worked on has needed it to be tilted this far, I reckon about 45 degrees to clear the transfer lever (probably a good idea to take the top off the gearbox if there's a next time). And as for that stupid bloody plastic clip thing on the clutch rod, what an incredibly stupid design making a relatively simple job an un neccessary nightmare.
So I think we need to remove the rose coloured glases here, personally though I was extatic with the removable cross member on the Defender which made the job a lot easier than the SII/SIII clutches I've done previously.
As for the Kia engine, whether it's in a Land Rover or a Kia it is still a POS and I think any FL1 owner would agree.
I remember a couple of years ago my local mechanic advising me, ...."buy any car you like but avoid Kias like the plague, if they gave them away they'd still be too expensive."
Deano
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