Thread: this would make me very nervous, record gun sales in US

Originally Posted by akelly

Yep! Fear is the driver behind most wingnut nonsense. Just watch Faux News or our own version - commercial TV.

Irrational fear drives most human behaviour, from individuals, to couples through to nations, unfortunately.

The "look at this study I found that supports what I already think" arguments in forums don't really convince anyone except the poster. There are studies and statistics that support both sides of this debate if you go looking. I have seen studies that support concealed carry and open carry; there's even a debate raging between whether you should conceal or not conceal in the US.

I do own firearms and enjoying shooting, and I do believe we have it wrong in Australia and that we should bring back the right to own a firearm for self defense on the home. Again, there are studies that support and refute the usefulness of guns in the home.

However, I am not that big on the carrying of firearms in public. I do think the lowest common denominator applies here, and emotionally driven accidents could easily occur. I think if you want the protection of a firearm, it should be in the home only. Firearms are currently legally owned in Australia and their use as a weapon in domestic disputes is low, so I think the danger of misuse just by owning one for protection remains low.

Every person should have the right to acquire the means to defend themselves and their family with a modern weapon, I.e. something more than a bat or wooden spoon! For people who don't believe so, that's fine, keep your wooden spoon For those who want something more, within their own home, they should be granted that right.

Oh yeah, and can we please bring back civvy AR15s? They're a whole lot of fun to shoot!

To the gun control wowsers posting here a simple exercise. Substitute the word 4wd for gun for this whole thread. Then re-examine your arguments.
Maybe i do not want to live in a society where right wing lunatics think they have the right to drive 4wd's. There is no need for any person in modern society to drive a 4wd in the suburbs. Farmers and the military yes, but regular people just dont need them and the 'gubmint' should protect us from people who want to have them in society. I mean who cares about their rights. Everything that needs a 4wd is handled by the government. My family and i have the right to drive around in a tiny rice burner without living in fear of some lunatic in a 4wd crashing into us. More harm then good is done by civilians driving 4wd vehicles anyway. They are much more likely to be involved in accidents and their own family members will be the victims. People just cannot be trusted to drive them. Without the government banning people from owning 4wd's it would be carnage. I mean just look at the stats from the USA. Nearly everyone over there drives a big 4wd and thousands die on their roads every year. Unrestricted 4wd ownership is causing untold grief and pain to victims of 4wd's and their families. Perhaps if some small minded redneck fool desperately needs a 4wd to substitute for some small body part then they can go through a 12 month licensing program. Then they can submit a permit to acquire a 4wd showing acceptable reasons and approved club membership. They will only be able to take the 4wd to approved areas for use and they will have to tow it there in a special container. Random police inspections of their 4wd storage should also occur. With criminal charges if it is found lacking. We should also restrict what specific types of 4wd's they can buy. Dont want them owning anything capable of any sort of fun. I am thinking LADA nivas only unless a special licence is granted.
Is the above any different to the way that gun owners are treated? Do you now get an inkling of what we are feeling by our right to enjoy a sport/pastime being taken away from us through every increasing restrictions? Do you like being cast as a redneck lunatic because of something you enjoy? Rest assured that there re people in society who think exactly this way. They will be coming after your pastime next.

Didn't read any gun control wowser comments in this thread

You can make a nanny state argument to ban anything and l remember in the 1990's in Victoria a lot of public activities for schools and clubs were banned and cancelled due to insurance costs going through the roof for fear of legal liability claims arising from accidents involving members of the public and State Govt had to step and pass legislation to make sense of the whole situation.

Originally Posted by Mick-Kelly

To the gun control wowsers posting here a simple exercise. Substitute the word 4wd for gun for this whole thread. Then re-examine your arguments.
Maybe i do not want to live in a society where right wing lunatics think they have the right to drive 4wd's. There is no need for any person in modern society to drive a 4wd in the suburbs. Farmers and the military yes, but regular people just dont need them and the 'gubmint' should protect us from people who want to have them in society. I mean who cares about their rights. Everything that needs a 4wd is handled by the government. My family and i have the right to drive around in a tiny rice burner without living in fear of some lunatic in a 4wd crashing into us. More harm then good is done by civilians driving 4wd vehicles anyway. They are much more likely to be involved in accidents and their own family members will be the victims. People just cannot be trusted to drive them. Without the government banning people from owning 4wd's it would be carnage. I mean just look at the stats from the USA. Nearly everyone over there drives a big 4wd and thousands die on their roads every year. Unrestricted 4wd ownership is causing untold grief and pain to victims of 4wd's and their families. Perhaps if some small minded redneck fool desperately needs a 4wd to substitute for some small body part then they can go through a 12 month licensing program. Then they can submit a permit to acquire a 4wd showing acceptable reasons and approved club membership. They will only be able to take the 4wd to approved areas for use and they will have to tow it there in a special container. Random police inspections of their 4wd storage should also occur. With criminal charges if it is found lacking. We should also restrict what specific types of 4wd's they can buy. Dont want them owning anything capable of any sort of fun. I am thinking LADA nivas only unless a special licence is granted.
Is the above any different to the way that gun owners are treated? Do you now get an inkling of what we are feeling by our right to enjoy a sport/pastime being taken away from us through every increasing restrictions? Do you like being cast as a redneck lunatic because of something you enjoy? Rest assured that there re people in society who think exactly this way. They will be coming after your pastime next.

Ridiculous.

What were you drinking when you thought this gem up?

I keep a loaded 4WD under my pillow at night to keep baddies away. Sometimes I fondle it and imagine it is bigger. Sometimes it goes off by itself but hasn't damaged me or the missus or the kids yet, so it's all cool.

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This man had a gun in his house and look at the good it did:

Father of Hectorville triple killer charged with manslaughter - for failing to secure his shotgun | adelaidenow

Originally Posted by akelly

Ridiculous.

What were you drinking when you thought this gem up?

Really well read on then :

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1111115732807

http://www.marque.com.au/opinion/090112_Ban_4WDs.htm

http://www.mister-cars.com/Article/T...Be-Growing/928

Nth Sydney Council - and 4WD's ... and Scruby @ ExplorOz Forum

4WD'S ON THE SUBURBAN ROAD - RADIO & TV - 26/8/2009

Council urges families to avoid 4WDs - National - smh.com.au

Warning on 4WDs

Warning on 4WDs

THE SUNDAY TELEGRAPH

Sunday 25 November 2001
STATE governments may need to enhance road safety by reducing the number of 4WD vehicles driven in urban areas, a new study has found.

Researchers said it was a myth that 4WDs were safer for occupants than large family sedans. The evidence showed that 4WDs posed dangers to other cars on the road. The Monash University Accident Research Centre has rated vehicles to determine the risk of injury to drivers and people in other cars, known as aggressivity.

The data came from more than 600,000 crashes in Australia for cars built between 1982 and 1998. Several 4WD vehicles showed high aggressivity rates.

Originally Posted by bee utey

I keep a loaded 4WD under my pillow at night to keep baddies away. Sometimes I fondle it and imagine it is bigger. Sometimes it goes off by itself but hasn't damaged me or the missus or the kids yet, so it's all cool.

.......

This man had a gun in his house and look at the good it did:

Father of Hectorville triple killer charged with manslaughter - for failing to secure his shotgun | adelaidenow

Careful, you may not be able to keep that dangerous 4wd at your house for much longer. Especially if people keep killing their own children with them.
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