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    There Aint no Santa, Any more

    Let us assume that there are approximately two billion children (= persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Shinto, Sun Worship, Scientology or Buddhist religions, this reduces his workload for Christmas night (24/25 Dec) to 15% or 378 million (Figures from the US Population Reference Bureau). At an average (see the last Census) rate of 3.5 children per household, and presuming that there is at least one good child in each house, that comes to 108 million homes.



    Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work, thanks to the different time-zones, the rotation of the Earth, and assuming Santa will work east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has less than 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh, and get onto the next house.



    Let us assume that half of those 108 million (= 54 million) households leaves 1 x 20 gram biscuit (cream, chocolate or dry) and a 150ml cup of liquid for Santa to consume. Santa would be faced with consuming, carrying or disposing of 1.08 million kg/1,190 tons of biscuits and 8.1 million lt /475,509.7 (Imperial)gal of liquid that would weigh 8.1 million kg/2.14 million tons. Let us assume that Santa did drink some of that liquid. This would condemn him to at least 3 (as a conservative estimate) bathroom stops in that 31 hours. Assuming that Santa is quick (remember that he is wearing that thick warm layered(?) outfit) and that the required facilities are readily available and easily accessible, those three breaks would require 3 minutes from his 31 hours.



    Assuming each of those 108 million stops are evenly distributed around the Earth, (which of course, we KNOW is not true, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household (not counting bathroom stops or breaks.) – a total trip of 785.5 million miles. This means that Santa’s sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, or 3,000 times the speed of sound. For the purposes of comparison, a bullet travels at 823mr/sec (= 306 miles/hour), the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves along at a pokey 27.4 miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) at 15 miles/hour for short distances (when pursued by wolves – note plural).



    The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child receives nothing more than a medium-sized LEGO set weighing less than 1KG/2LB, the sleigh is carrying over 500,000 tons of freight (not counting Santa, himself, or any of that increasing load of biscuits and/or drinks).



    On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Assuming that a “flying” reindeer can pull 10-times what a normal reindeer can pull, the job can’t be done by eight or even nine of them – Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, biscuits or drinks, by another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth II (the cruise ship, not the English Monarch).



    600,000 tons travelling at 650 miles per second creates ENORMOUS air resistance. This would heat-up the reindeer in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the Earth’s atmosphere. The lead-pair of reindeer would each absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporised within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip.



    Not that it maters, because, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 miles per second in 0.001 seconds, Santa would be subject to acceleration forces of 17,000 G’s. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones & organs, and reducing him to a quivering vertically-flat pool of pink goo on the seat back of the sleigh.



    Therefore, if Santa did exist, he’s dead now. Merry Christmas.
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    The Rebuttal

    Santa Claus: An Engineering Analysis - REBUTTAL

    If people are going to attempt to apply science to the question of Santa, the least they can do is to get it right. The so-called "Engineer" that wrote the paper suggesting that Santa Claus is dead had it all wrong.

    A) In paragraph 5, the Engineer states that "600,000 tons travelling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance." Assuming that this true, it may well be that the reindeer are protected by some sort of heat shield, which is the basis of the "red nose" legend. More to the point, the "air resistance" theory is a vast oversimplification, and a sloppy one at that. In comparing a parachute to a javelin, one can see that there is no simple, direct, predictable relationship between the weight of an object and its air resistance. The air resistance theory completely ignores many possible configurations of Santa's team that could greatly reduce air resistance.

    Paragraph 5 is invalidated all the more when one considers paragraph 1, which states that most of the 300,000 unclassified species on the earth are insects and microorganisms. This suggests that it is overwhelmingly probable that any unknown species (such as flying reindeer) is extremely small (possibly even microscopic), with correspondingly low air resistance.

    Also, note that various small species (e.g. bumblebee) have been known to accomplish feats of aviation that have proven quite difficult for science to explain. Furthermore, many small species (e.g. ants) possess strength that is immense proportional to their size. Also note that every known species has a body structure capable of withstanding whatever stresses are created at the top speed at which the creature is capable of travelling.

    Therefore, contrary to the Engineer's conclusion, the possible existence of unknown, very small, very strong, flying creatures is indicated, and all of the Engineer's statistics on the mass, speed, capacity, and durability of standard Reindeer are therefore irrelevant.

    If we accept the notion that Santa moves from East to West (an assumption that the Engineer makes in Paragraph 3) then we must also assume that he is moving in a vaguely North-South traversing path as he works his way West. This implies that, if he chose to, he could make several stops at the Pole to re-load the sleigh, and therefore it is not necessary for him to carry the entire payload all at once as described by the Engineer.

    The reader may raise the objection that most depictions of Santa's procedures include a single annual departure from the Pole. However, one must also consider that these same depictions contain many other omissions and simplifications, such as the implication that Santa spends several minutes on each delivery. Even using unrealistically favourable figures, this is mathematically impossible. This and other examples force us to consider these depictions to be strictly allegorical. This makes sense, since a documentary would not be much fun for the target audience.

    C) Consider that most chimneys are too small to accommodate an average-sized man, let alone a 250 (plus) pound man. This implies that Santa has a way of entering and exiting dwellings through access paths much smaller than those that would otherwise be required. If the same technique that Santa uses to transport himself and the gifts past locked doors also decreases mass (or makes it irrelevant), then the payload problem is completely solved. (Note that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.)

    D) If we accept the notion that Santa's intelligence gathering is good enough for him to determine who is bad/good, sleeping/awake etc., then it stands to reason that Santa also knows enough about health problems, travel plans, hurricanes, floods, drive-by shootings, fires, volcanoes, earthquakes, bus crashes, burglaries, etc, to be able to defer or advance some of his deliveries for days or even weeks, thus considerably extending the 31 hour time limit (mentioned by the Engineer in paragraph 3) for perhaps 3 to 5 percent of children.

    E) In paragraph 3, the Engineer admits to the assumption that Christian homes are randomly distributed over the entire surface of the planet. In reality, a majority of the earth's surface is covered by the oceans, and a great portion of what is left is covered by mountains, deserts, forests, jungles, glaciers, smaller bodies of water, and other natural and man-made features that render the space uninhabitable by humans -- or at least extremely sparsely populated by Christians, who largely tend to live in communities with homes placed in neat rows on level ground, or in densely populated vertical blocks in urban areas.

    Also, many families tend to gather for the Holidays, thus decreasing the number of Christian dwellings that are actually occupied on December 24-25. Therefore, the aforementioned assumption leads to a *staggering* overestimate of the number of times Santa must travel distances exceeding 60 feet. Also note that this more realistic model includes trans-oceanic voyages during which Santa could take a "bathroom break."

    F) In paragraph 3, the Engineer says that Santa has a very short time in which to "park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house. "In the previous paragraph, I dispensed with the notion that Santa must actually park and exit the sleigh, enter and exit the dwelling, and then enter and drive the sleigh for each delivery. As far as the snacks go, it is clear that between the households where the parents eat the snacks prior to Santa's arrival and the households that don't leave snacks at all, Santa has to deal with a snack in only a small proportion of cases. This means that at every stop Santa must, at a minimum, fill stockings and distribute gifts. The other tasks are performed in much smaller proportions.

    G) In paragraph 2, the Engineer presents the assumption that roughly 10 children out of 35 are "good." Given my personal observations, I conclude that this would lead us to overestimate of the number of Christian households containing at least one "good" child by an order of magnitude at the absolute minimum. This, more than anything else, decreases the number of stops that Santa must make.

    In conclusion - all of the Engineer's calculations are based on figures that are massively skewed, always choosing the worst-case value. The distances to be travelled, the number of stops to be made, the amount of work to be performed, and the amount of cargo to be carried are all FAR smaller than the Engineer estimates.

    Santa has NOT been burned to a cinder, he has NOT been squished by the acceleration of his sleigh, and (though I'm quite certain he won't be visiting that Engineer's house,) Santa Claus IS coming to town!
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    The Truth.

    Santa uses the TARDIS.

    Think about it..

    Its bigger on the inside than the outside, so he can fit in all the toys he wants as long as they fit through the door
    It travels in space so he can be anywhere he wants to be, he can materialise anywhere without having to worry about locked doors or other access restrictions
    It travels in time so he can be anywhen he wants to be. (this means that he can deliver toys on 25th december having departed on the 26th of december if he chooses to)

    this is further backed up by the fact that occasionally the TARDIS has either moved or changed configurations which is the same effect as when someone borrows your car and changes the seat position radio station and the aircon settings before parking it in a different spot because where they got it from had another car parked in it or they just didnt remember exactly where it came from.


    The stuff about parents eating the milk and cookies and the stories about the flying reindeer are just decoys to prevent us from discovering the truth.
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    1. he is santa he can do anything
    2. he stops time and gets ore done, a bit like animals vs humans 1 human year is 7 dog years well. 1 human xmas eve = a **** load of santa xmas eves
    3. he is santa he can do anything

    ps. do not get me started on the easter bunny

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    You have far too much time on your hands. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmierer LR at singleton View Post

    ps. do not get me started on the easter bunny
    Don't worry about him, my mate shot him years ago.... True story - a friend of mine told his children many years ago (as a joke) that he he shot the Easter bunny. His kids went to School the next day and told their whole class during show and tell. My mate was called to the school and reprimanded by the Principle as many of the children were crying on finding out this news...
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    If by your calculations Santa’s sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, then it will be the solution to Qantas problems and the downfall of Boeing

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    No time to dress


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    For crying out loud.

    Act your age.

    There is no Santa!



    Sometimes I just can'tbelieve you!!!
    Roger


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