Thread: Disco vs. Defender?

Originally Posted by Jeff

If you are hit by another vehicle while stationary do airbags go off? AKAIK they have a minimum speed and do nothing if you are below that speed.

Jeff

Depends on the vehicle I believe. Some even have dual stage airbags that detect how hard an impact is and then deploy the airbags either fully or partially (new mercedes for example). Older vehicles will have a more simple front-only impact system. Some one who is nerdier than me will know about landies i reckon.

Pricey
this: "I still get to ride a motorcycle though - how safe is that? Not!"
just completely makes a farce of your drive a safe vehicle tirade

Work in major trauma centre for a week and I gaurentee you will never ride a donorcycle on a public road again?


-A VN commode can roll three times and the occupants walk away
-A 5star mercedes can hit a tree and the occupants are deader than dead

Its luck of the draw in some respects but even donga vehicles these days are safer than ever - rather than lab tests and star ratings look at real life data (what the fender are safe stats are based from)
Essentially if your gonna cop it you will - the majority of car/4x4 accidents have minimal outcomes

But if you ride then the luck aspect just became a whole lot more significant
Ask any trauma specilist - serious road trauma (not just taking deaths into account but serious injury) these days is almost exclusively in the domain of the cycle accidents?


S

Originally Posted by roverrescue

Pricey
this: "I still get to ride a motorcycle though - how safe is that? Not!"
just completely makes a farce of your drive a safe vehicle tirade

Work in major trauma centre for a week and I gaurentee you will never ride a donorcycle on a public road again?

The difference is mate that I don't take my 11 week old son or wife out on the motorbike.

And no need to get nasty. I don't think what I wrote was a tirade. It was just a viewpoint on motor vehicle safety. Everyone's entitled to their viewpoint.

What I was actually saying if you read my posts was that my missus wants the safest vehicle we can buy to protect our family and I agree. She understands that bikes are my life and that I can't give them up. But again, I only risk my own life when I'm out on a bike.

Originally Posted by isuzurover

I think you completely missed Rick's point...

I didn't. You just can't read sarcasm all the time.

wifey is a nurse who works in rehab; have a guess what chance I have of ever riding a motorbike? (and my tastes are NSU and BSA vintage, but I still got no hope of sneaking one home)

She meets guys who wish they had died in the crash; that is literally what they say (if they can still speak).

Originally Posted by gusthedog

So why does a D2 have a 3 star ANCAP and a Defender is yet to be tested? (Suggesting it wont even get 1 star). I know its been discussed before and people may disagree with me but safety is important for me because of my family. Particularly because my missus is a paramedic and again particularly because we have a 3 month old son. I contemplated getting back into a defender until she said "how much would you be willing to spend to get a safe vehicle for your son?"

Now if they independantly crash tested a defender and gave it a rating I'd be really surprised if it got greater than 1 star. So for me it'd be the D3/4 if I was updating. Low speed bingles aside, a D3/4 is way safer in any sort of crash than a Deefer and that would swing me towards the D3/4 regardless if the Deefer is slightly better off road.

But each to their own (preparing for the onslaught from deefer owners suggesting I'm a nong......)

Ancap ratings and 60 gazillion airbags are all well and good certainly has helped but...
Marketing works really well when asking the question about your loved ones.

It's simply a miracle any of us ever made it long enough on this planet to procreate with all those death traps we drive.
If your Missus was serious about her question you wouldn't be looking at a 4wd at all.
You would be evaluating a presidential Limo and hiring body guards,

Originally Posted by strangy

Ancap ratings and 60 gazillion airbags are all well and good certainly has helped but...
Marketing works really well when asking the question about your loved ones.

It's simply a miracle any of us ever made it long enough on this planet to procreate with all those death traps we drive.
If your Missus was serious about her question you wouldn't be looking at a 4wd at all.
You would be evaluating a presidential Limo and hiring body guards,

So an ANCAP rating is all marketing is it? Thanks for the tip.

And are you for real about that statement on the Limo? What a load of bull dung.

Sorry if I came across as nasty - but I reckon your wife and kids life will change in an instant if you were to have a bike accident ????
Protecting your family has more factors to it than the number of airbags you put around them

Regarding the point on the table:
If you have a look at the statistics being used that were UK based saying that defenders are safe vehicles These were real vehicle accident results over a number of years - this is real data that shows fenders are not as unsafe as they look

Star ratings are based on a few organised crashes into walls and counting the number of airbags - marketing essentially?

Anyways - apologies if I heated up a bit - but after a few years of dealing with busted moto riders who all say "but Ill only hurt myself" whilst they stretch the health service getting put back together and strain their loved ones to breaking point - well you get a little bit over the selfish line?????

Ill leave it at that - Im out of that game now and dont need to burn energy on it

Peace

S