Perhaps it's a Td5 Vs. Tdi thing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dullbird
I was quite shocked at just how slow and controlled it was in low 1. No brakes needed at all, I could have walked down faster.
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Perhaps it's a Td5 Vs. Tdi thing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dullbird
I was quite shocked at just how slow and controlled it was in low 1. No brakes needed at all, I could have walked down faster.
I would argue that a manual will break traction befor an auto as the torque converter doesnt bite like a clutch, ive watched many friends cars bog down in sand when they change gear[but that could also be there driving style or lack there of]. Personally i prefer autos[both my range rovers were] and i fitted an auto to my 300tdi defender about 2 years ago[and later the disco transfer case], i find i can crawl slowly up nearly anything[detroit and trutrac fitted late last year] and the auto is much easier on the drive line. As for hill decent i was rather scared on the first scary one with the auto- but locked in low 1st it just went so slow i hardly needed the brakes-no runaway at all. Its a personal choice, i do on average a 1000ks a week in the car for work[often towing] and play fairly rough on the week ends, the zf is super smooth and no more dodgy clutch master cylinders.
Richard:D
I think realistically, it comes down to the driver.
With the issue of riding the clutch, it's just as damaging (probably more) riding the torque convertor. The TC is the hottest part of an auto and when they're loaded at low rpm, the oil will super heat and melt the clutches. Hence why autos always had 1, 2, 3, D etc. Much of muchness, comes down to the driver.
Both:D
Mixed together.
Would love a DSG in my D1:twisted:
More a ZF4HP22 EH vs a ZF4HP22 thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
Your torque converter clutch can lock up in 1st for descents.
Ours can't...
Ahh, that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by B92 8NW
Personally I prefer to drive manuals, as I like shifting gears :D
But the auto is very convenient.
Whilst my Disco has been off the road (4 months and counting!), I've been piloting Troopies and rather enjoying driving a manual 4x4 again. First gear is incredibly low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
I think next 4x4, I'll be going back to a manual.
After over 30 years working with 4wd's covering the full spectrum from series 2’s to modern day Japanese and off road trucks, I would have to say that your original post muppet is not wide of the mark.
For anything sandy or where breaking traction is a problem then an auto wins every time in my book. I still prefer a manual for the steep down hill engine braking, but this is far less important with the electronic aids these days.
Cheers
Steve
I agree with Carnut's second last sentence. If traction is the worry and low 1st isn't doing you any favors, that is one hell of a track. Might be time for air lockers. You can't beat the downhill control of a manual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnut1100
Cheers,
Danial.
I actually really like the 727 in my old Rangie, which moves along quickly enough for me when I manually shift. But - a big but - I'm changing it to a manual because it's too complicated for remote stuff. There's extra linkages and cooler lines and so on, and a manual would be much easier to deal with if I had to change the oil at a cattle station or a roadhouse.
This thread wouldn't be written in North America. They all think you're special if you can drive a manual! I mean, "stick"!