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    Discovery 1 issue

    G.day everyone, having some issues with my 95 disco1 (3.9ltr v8), car kept struggling to start would have no kick over like the immobiliser was jammed on but only after slow city driving with lots of stopping and starting and once in the middle of a 4wd track, issue has now started while driving and the car shuts down while driving when it starts to slow down. I read that it could be the immobiliser so I ripped all the dash out and found the last owner had it disconnected and it was just sitting against the firewall not plugged in. Now I have read it could be the crank position sensor, just been under the bonnet (could do with a clean) and found a plug dangling in the bay coated in grease, the plug has green/black and solid black lines running into it - can anyone let me know what this plug is for and if it is the cps and where to plug it back in after I polish it up a bit and if that could be the reason for my cut outs and inability to start occasionally? Would appreciate any help on this one.

    Cheers, Heath.

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    A D1 doesn't have a crank position sensor. The ECU gets a rotation signal from the negative side of the ignition coil (white wire/black stripe). No spark=no injection. Timing is controlled by a regular mechanical and vacuum advance distributor, basically 80's technology. The two most likely failures on a D1 are 1. Lucas ignition module, and 2. fuel pump.

    Lucas ignition modules can be replaced with Bosch BIM024 modules, much more common and lots cheaper and more reliable.

    Lucas ignition amplifier replacement by Bosch 024

    Fuel pumps can be replaced with VN-on Commodore pump kits but you must obtain the correct submersible hose for connecting the pump to the housing top if the original can't be salvaged.

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    Thanks bee utey, would the ignition module shut down the car while driving? guess I better get searching on the mystery plug that floating around but good it eliminates the sensor and the immobiliser so will try the ignition this weekend. Fuel pump sounds like its kicking on perfectly in the back so will try the ignition as a start.

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    Your problem could be as simple as a loose connector on the coil. A loose terminal will heat up with passing current, expand and disconnect. On cooling it reconnects. Take off any connector that is loose, squash gently with pliers and make sure it is pushed on firmly. the positive feed wire can be worth replacing with a new fully insulated crimp or a soldered crimp. But yes, ignition modules can fail when hot and work OK when cool.

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    Awesome thanks again champ I will give it all a crack at the weekend - only problem is that it can go a month without doing it so should be interesting testing it out! Haha. Thanks for the ignition instructions too

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    One other question will the Bosch unit work with dual fuel? Has a gas kit in it. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heath1983 View Post
    One other question will the Bosch unit work with dual fuel? Has a gas kit in it. Cheers
    Hi read all my latest posts on the discovery 1 site and learn heaps like I did:-). ..Gary

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    Well, I , like you thank the previous replies to your problem, but from my vast experience with the same problem,
    I suggest you go directly to the plug on the fuel pump
    My bet is that the connector is having a connection problem and will display itself as a dirty connection,
    In my experience this poor connection gets hot and open circuits , only to regain a circuit when it cools
    This problem will continue for ages before it really causes it to never start, but the by product of this is the possible fire and loss of your vehicle
    I only found mine when it had melted the plug and wire
    Just rip up the carpet in the back, undo the panel to look at the fuel pump connector
    Good luck
    Safe Travels
    harry

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    I developed the Bosch conversion because of the large failure rate of the Lucas module after converting a significant number of D1's to LPG. I was getting around 50% failure rate. Bosch failure rate has been far less, around 5%. The spark is better too, with a compatible coil (see the conversion thread). It runs LPG very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harry View Post
    Well, I , like you thank the previous replies to your problem, but from my vast experience with the same problem,
    I suggest you go directly to the plug on the fuel pump
    My bet is that the connector is having a connection problem and will display itself as a dirty connection,
    In my experience this poor connection gets hot and open circuits , only to regain a circuit when it cools
    This problem will continue for ages before it really causes it to never start, but the by product of this is the possible fire and loss of your vehicle
    I only found mine when it had melted the plug and wire
    Just rip up the carpet in the back, undo the panel to look at the fuel pump connector
    Good luck
    A failing fuel pump plug won't stop the LPG running....but yes, it's a common problem especially when the fuel pump is old and drawing higher current than the connector is designed to.

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