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    Quote Originally Posted by rovercare View Post
    My old boy drives toyota's...........he is yet to overfill his crankcase and kill an engine
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    Quote Originally Posted by uninformed View Post
    I would expect no less from the rovercare lineage....
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    Hi,
    we could self repair the roads of course.



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    Quote Originally Posted by austastar View Post
    Hi,
    we could self repair the roads of course.

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    Hi,
    Yes, I would put a 'weak link' in the line some where.

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    they guy in the photo did, he put the toyitsisan as the first link
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    To quote Tom Sheppard (the offroad and overland "guru"):
    Corrugations "...are formed by the action (and harmonics) of the suspension and tyres of the track's major-user vehicles on the soil."

    Usually, the heavier the vehicle, the more pronounced the corrugations will be. Hence, most corrugations will be formed by heavy vehicles (i.e. heavier than the average 4x4 truck) and thus being a result of their suspension physics. As their harmonics don't match with the ones of our vehicles, we encounter corrugations as shaking, to express it carefully. By adopting a "compatible" speed at which this effect will be minimised corrugations can be driven, but the unsprung parts of the suspension are put on high strain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    they guy in the photo did, he put the toyitsisan as the first link
    No, he didn't, try again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Discomark View Post
    If corrugations are anything to do with vehicle tyres you would think that only the section of road where the wheels run would be corrugated?
    The corrugations seem to be as bad in the center of the road where no tyre contact is made. This is even the case on single track roads where the center of the track is seldom touched by vehicle tyres, other than the odd motorcycle.
    When you look at the dunes in the Simpson you can see a similar pattern caused by the elements alone.
    Go to the top of the class!! There's no doubt gravel road surfaces are damaged by heavy traffic, but for what reason? The fact is if there was no traffic you would ultimately get corrugations as a result of the manner in which different size particles aggregate from movement caused by wind... in extreme cases think desert dunes as Discomark points out. My good mate has made a (very!) comfortable living for yonks studying the mathematics of particle behaviour ...e.g. when sand /coal/wheat etc etc is dropped from a height ... understanding fluid dynamics is critical to all sorts of applications....coal loaders/conveyors/powder flow in machines pharmaceutical formulations for tablet manufacture etc

    His well tested theory about road corrugations is that while the corrugations are compressed through constant pounding of heavy vehicles, they are actually "formed" as a result of the effects of constant air turbulence left in the wake of vehicles travelling at speed, where the particles are picked up and churned into a cloud. As they separate and fall to earth they self organise into "rows" based on weights/size etc etc.... how and why is beyond my comprehension...
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    Well, I posted this on another forum I'm on, and this is one reply. Amazing, Bob


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    Corrugations are caused by the bounce of the individual Axle and wheel as they vibrate so they bounce

    This bouncing action causes a vibration effect on the dirt beneath the wheel so over time causing the soil to compact under the bounce

    Believe me I know I have had to maintenance grade and construct and reconstruct thousands of roads in both NT and WA.

    When we originally looked at reconstructing the Stuart Highway from south of Alice Springs to the South Australian border back in the late seventies they were talking about just ripping up the old road to a depth of three feet and then construct over that

    However my old Boss who had been in the Construction game for over 40 years advised them not to as corrugations go very deep into the soil

    THey told him that was crap so he said do a test drill of the old road to prove his theory

    They did and did holes in several sections and found that the corrugation went down to an average depth of 60 feet.

    They then constructed a completey new Road.

    And this is why when you drive on roads at night time that have been reconstructed over the old base you can see the tiny corrugations that are coming back in the new surface

    Another effect to cause corrugations is the grader operators grading at too high a gear and this causes the blade to bounce as it cuts the surface so causing resultant corrugation.

    I could put on her many stories about cause and effect of these corrugations on Drivers and their vehicles and trailers and caravans
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