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The living should come first to be saved. I do also feel sorry for the children that are dragged along. At least we try to save them dont see others doing much. I will only say this you don't want to know the policy in the 50s and 60s to this problem of boat people. Part of white Australia policy. My family came out by boat most of us would have I am 7th gen Australian the bad family first fleet the good ones second fleet sea captain and the rest late 1800s.
There will be more when or if the Australian Government start sending back the boats. They do not have a place to go so if the boats do not go under the people will died on deck.
Jakarta would not accept the tow back policy.
A horrible situation for so many reasons... :(
At the risk of being unpopular, I have got one - give Christmas Island to Indonesia.Quote:
Originally Posted by incisor
Does it solve the problem? No way. But it makes sea travel to Australia an order of magnitude more difficult which hopefully provides a suitable disincentive to that route.
On the other hand that may just make the Timor / Australia route more popular.
As others have said I don't quite understand why these people don't just apply for asylum in another country, rather than risking their lives to get to Australia, but then again I have the first world luxury of not being in that position in the first place.
Yes, good idea so they can repair the boats and reach WA in much better shape :DQuote:
Originally Posted by FeatherWeightDriver
What next, give the NW of Australia to them as well?
I suspect the Abbott policy is one of finding greater depths to plumb to appeal to the Lowest Common Denominator, and will never truly be enacted.
But, if it was, I see it as the most reckless, foolhardy and outright dangerous policy since "All the way, with LBJ"
If you think Indonesia is complicit now, just you wait! For now the support given to people smugglers is a case of local corruption, THEN it will become Policy and we will see them fuelling boats up free!
Geez, If you think things are bad now....
Bleh, disgusted!
Push them out into international waters. Other SE Asian countries do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chucaro
If they know that they will not at any cost reach Australia, things may slow.
Then, of course, they scuttle their boats. With those, we sail them to the nearest port as required by international law.
If that port is in Australia, detention until their claim is processed under the UN rules in due course or a free plane ticket back to their point of origin or another country that is a signatory.
Oh, yes, forgot to mention, make the application for asylum one shot. No appeals. Once the decision has been made you're out of here.
Tell Indonesia that for every person that leaves their shores from the people smugglers they will loose $50,000 in Australian aide.
See how long it takes to make a difference.
Cheers Ean
I wrote a whole piece on this and then realised its not worth it.
Frankly, you cannot have a strong opinion on the 'boat people' if you only confront the issue sat in front of your TV.
How about flying to some war torn countries to see what fear is all about - too risky? .... oh no hang on your saving up for a bigger TV.
How about visiting a detention center here in Australia and meeting those that are directly affected? The staff and the captives I'm sure will be happy to talk to you... oh hang on you probably haven't got the time and besides free time is for fishing...
How about driving your land rovers to a detention center, have a cup of tea with the 'que jumpers', let them know how you feel! Perhaps then your views will hold a little weight.
OR if you cant be bothered with the reality of it all just continue to sit in front of your TV and shut the **** up.
i see you forgot to give us your opinion.........Quote:
Originally Posted by manic
the great thing about forums is each of us can voice our opinions, its up the the person reading each post to make his own mind up whether they agree or not, some member may also have an opinion of you now as well:angel:
I picked a few dead people out of the water. Picked up bits of dead people too. Not fun (australian and american pilots)
I cannot even start to think how to retrive so many people who died in this tragedy. It is a tragedy people died.
It is not the navy or customs fault and while people are upset being offensive to others peoples thoughts on this topic is not for me. RIP all who died at sea.
If your family lived in economic destitution or war zones I would assume you would help them get to some where safer? Australia cannot help everyone and some order is needed. A bit of balance and even more efforts to help people live fairly in which ever country they reside.