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    This might be expensive

    Gday All,

    The daughter and her boyfriend were travelling home in front of us and we passed them on the side of the road with a friends car next to them, not getting a call we assumed that all was fine. not long after we got home our daughter comes home to get her car and go back to the friends place to pick up their gear, The boyfriends Ford Ranger 3.0 ltr turbo deisel had a suspected broken timing belt.

    We went over later in the arvo and sure enough it has. I havent worked on a overhead cam engine before, and this being twin overhead cam it will be interesting to see how it pulls up.

    We are getting it flatbedded over to my shed and will strip it down over the next few days and see how bad it is. Lucky he's a 2nd year diesel fitter with CAT, so will be a bit more trainning and he should save a bit of coin on labour.

    We have been told its the same engine that is in the newish defenders... not sure about that but with 130,000ks and the belt was supposed to be done at 110,000ks but maybe it was just a sales pitch when he baught it.

    Its going to be interesting in comparing it to the 300tdi when its belt broke... think the pushrod engine may come out better.

    Cheers Ean

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    DOHC diesel eh... You would have to guess them purdy valves would be laying over at just the right angle that when they got introduced to mr piston there was not a happy ending

    As you say though - a good spanner twirling experience!

    You know we will need photos of the carnage !!!

    Steve
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    EAN ,don't forget the pictures,
    Cheers, Mario


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    yes they have the same engine as a Ranger, except the Ranger if its the 3.2 is the 5 cylinder version that you cant buy in a Defender, but same timing belt setup

    In the last few months travelling we have seen both Ranger and BT50 (same engine) with similar problems, waiting for parts from overseas

    this is one of the reasons I wont be buying a new Defender,

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    Just depends on whether it's an interference or non interference design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    yes they have the same engine as a Ranger, except the Ranger if its the 3.2 is the 5 cylinder version that you cant buy in a Defender, but same timing belt setup

    In the last few months travelling we have seen both Ranger and BT50 (same engine) with similar problems, waiting for parts from overseas

    this is one of the reasons I wont be buying a new Defender,
    Its a 3.0 4cyl but am told the defender has a smaller stroke, but is same engine.

    Will be interested to see what the damage is.

    Cheers Ean

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    They are Not the same engine as the defender , the Puma engine has chain driven camshafts for a start. The Puma 2.4 will be a bit more reliable in that department I reckon...I have just finished rebuilding one and they are quite a simple engine. Nice cylinder head and valve gear design, good looking porting etc and a very simple engine to time and reassemble. A fair bit of stuff hanging off them though, took nearly as long to get it ready for final install as it did to reassemble the long engine

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubagreenie View Post
    Just depends on whether it's an interference or non interference design.
    I thought all diesels are interference fit, otherwise not enough compression for the bang.

    The next car I'm seriously contemplating buying happens to have dohc 3 liter diesel, via camchain (not belt) with rockers designed to break in the event of a timing failure, so no bent valves or holed pistons.

    I had a timing failure on a Toyota 1HDT which resulted in bent valves AND holed pistons, which is why the topic intrests me.

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    Hi Ean,

    JC is right, the 3.0 litre in the previous generation Ranger is a Mazda unit and not related at all to the 2.2/2.4/3.2 Puma engines in the Defender and current model Rangers.
    I'll see if there's any workshop manual stuff for these engines knocking around at work if that'll be any use to you?

    Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by justinc View Post
    They are Not the same engine as the defender , the Puma engine has chain driven camshafts for a start. The Puma 2.4 will be a bit more reliable in that department I reckon...I have just finished rebuilding one and they are quite a simple engine. Nice cylinder head and valve gear design, good looking porting etc and a very simple engine to time and reassemble. A fair bit of stuff hanging off them though, took nearly as long to get it ready for final install as it did to reassemble the long engine

    JC
    Justin, rebuild, how many ks on it?
    cheers Mario


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