Some drivers out there, its really getting scarey

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

Also why people who don't have one drive slower and are more alert in case they do. It becomes a bit tedious being ultra vigilant day in, day out though so on goes a bar and with the relaxed consequences comes a higher probability of collecting a roo.
The same can be said about modified trucks. I've seen more of them break than more standard trucks on the same track. The modified guys don't bother picking lines anymore while the standard guys are ultra careful about the line they take.

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That depends.
If you're fitting accessories purely for the sake of being lazy then you might have a point.
However, it's not like hitting skippy is a huge crime against nature. It happens. I consider myself a very vigilant driver, you have to be with the number of lunatics on the roads, and I've hit a roo. Was sure glad for my bar, would have been several thousand dollars worth of damage if I hadn't.
There's only so much you can do to before it becomes obsessive.
Flip side is, 90% of my driving is either open highway or offroad, I rarely venture into town and it's even rarer for me to head into the city.

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

Also why people who don't have one drive slower and are more alert in case they do. It becomes a bit tedious being ultra vigilant day in, day out though so on goes a bar and with the relaxed consequences comes a higher probability of collecting a roo.
The same can be said about modified trucks. I've seen more of them break than more standard trucks on the same track. The modified guys don't bother picking lines anymore while the standard guys are ultra careful about the line they take.

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On our family farm, one ute has a bull bar, the other doesn't.

The one without it was a write off after hitting a roo at 70kms coming back from harvesting one night. The one with the bar has a number of roo strikes up and still going.

At night we don't do more than 80km/h.

Animal strikes are practically unavoidable, even at 20km/h in the forest sometimes they pop out.

Most people have a legitimate reason for a bull bar. I'm sick of hearing the crap about them not being needed, a farm can't have it's ute off the road for 3 weeks getting repaired every 6 months.

There's a reason they were designed in the first place...

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

Also why people who don't have one drive slower and are more alert in case they do. It becomes a bit tedious being ultra vigilant day in, day out though so on goes a bar and with the relaxed consequences comes a higher probability of collecting a roo.
The same can be said about modified trucks. I've seen more of them break than more standard trucks on the same track. The modified guys don't bother picking lines anymore while the standard guys are ultra careful about the line they take.

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I don't that's a fair assumtion of bullbars, I drive very cautously when there are roos around (dusk/dawn) and I have a bar fitted, probably why I've only had one animal strike in 20yrs(bullbar fitted) and one strike (not fitted) actually the roo hit me(driver side door) at 10kph.

And the assumtion that once you have accessories fitted, you just bump and bash your way around in the bush not worrying about the correct line is just rediculous, all the money you pay for a 4WD and accessories these days, why would you, doesn't make sense too me, if I bump my bar or land on a slider or rear bar, it's been accidental or I've slid off the track due to loss of traction, not barging my way through things, shame you were'nt out with all of us at Lithgow on the weekend, I think you may have been supprised with the way all the drivers drove the tracks(modified as you call them and non modified)

Baz.

This site has some contributors who are as rude and dumb as those on Exploroz with their rants about caravanners going less than the speed limit. I usually travel at 90 - 95 (top speed while towing is 100kph don't forget) and if the idiots in cars can't overtake me at that speed they should look seriously at their lack of ability on the roads.
My father in law used to reckon it was those same incompetents sitting behind a truck, bus, van etc who increased the distance necessary for others to get by safely that were the menace on the roads and I agree with him.
Try looking further down the road and don't sit so close to the van you can't see past it and you may start improving your own driving. And others safety. Turkeys.:p
AlanH.

One thing to remember in Vic the age to obtain L pates is later than other states, also in vic you can get a licence until you're 18 and have met the total hours driving min 120 hours.
in other states you can get Ps at 17.

I remember when I started in Vic we had P plates for a year and limited to 80 kph.

I find myself fearing a one hour drive across Sydney and also feeling much more physically and mentally drained afterwards than the prospect and after effects of a 12 hour drive in the country.

Best I saw this weekend was a left turn from lane 3 at a major intersection where there was also a left turn lane with it's own arrow. They figured that if they had the arrow then anyone could turn left I think.

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Originally Posted by ATH

This site has some contributors who are as rude and dumb as those on Exploroz with their rants about caravanners going less than the speed limit. I usually travel at 90 - 95 (top speed while towing is 100kph don't forget) and if the idiots in cars can't overtake me at that speed they should look seriously at their lack of ability on the roads.
My father in law used to reckon it was those same incompetents sitting behind a truck, bus, van etc who increased the distance necessary for others to get by safely that were the menace on the roads and I agree with him.
Try looking further down the road and don't sit so close to the van you can't see past it and you may start improving your own driving. And others safety. Turkeys.:p
AlanH.

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100km/h in WA, posted speed limit elsewhere.

I agree about the turkeys that sit behind and make it impossible for others to overtake safely.

I hate the caravanners (most of 'em) that travel well below the limit on even slightly curved road but speed up on the straights thus making it difficult to overtake.

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Originally Posted by p38arover

I hate the caravanners (most of 'em) that travel well below the limit on even slightly curved road but speed up on the straights thus making it difficult to overtake.

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And while we're at it, those pillocks who crawl at 80-90 until they get to a passing lane, then open up to 110-120. Promptly dropping back to 80-90 at the end of the passing lane. :censored:

They ought to be :nazibanned: from the roads.

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100km/h in WA, posted speed limit elsewhere.

I agree about the turkeys that sit behind and make it impossible for others to overtake safely.

I hate the caravanners (most of 'em) that travel well below the limit on even slightly curved road but speed up on the straights thus making it difficult to overtake.

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And most caravaners are in cars that have over 600Nm of torque these days. They can mostly drag their mobile chicanes anywhere at the speed limit. However for those of us that haven't sold our house to buy the tow rig, we can't overtake in the tiny gap we get, usually on a hill anyway...

And then there's the fact that its usually more like 20 cars stuck behind a caravan, pull over sometimes, especially if there's a whole line behind you and you're sitting below the limit.

Slow drivers are more dangerous than those doing 10 over IMHO, if they don't have a legitimate reason (such as driving a 300 Tdi) then there should be a penalty for driving dangerously slow.

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Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

And most caravaners are in cars that have over 600Nm of torque these days. They can mostly drag their mobile chicanes anywhere at the speed limit. However for those of us that haven't sold our house to buy the tow rig, we can't overtake in the tiny gap we get, usually on a hill anyway...

And then there's the fact that its usually more like 20 cars stuck behind a caravan, pull over sometimes, especially if there's a whole line behind you and you're sitting below the limit.

Slow drivers are more dangerous than those doing 10 over IMHO, if they don't have a legitimate reason (such as driving a 300 Tdi) then there should be a penalty for driving dangerously slow.

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Here's the thing, those towing 10k under know they don't have the ability or the confidence to do the faster speeds, the one's who do 10k over, only think they have the ability to do those speeds.

Most of the time, it's the halfwits following that contribute to the problem, not all caravanners are a menace on the roads, there many more drivers on the road worse than them.

Baz.