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    Quote Originally Posted by MR LR jnr. View Post
    I agree completely with Dave.

    I've grown up with a lot of time spent on a family farm, and hence as a kid spent a lot of time in trucks. It's slowly becoming my turn to drive different machinery.

    The truckie shouldn't have moved over, once a wheel come off the black stuff they can be pretty hard to pull back on! Especially when his family was in the cab!

    Last year I started driving the machinery on the roads, during harvest. And I can tell you that car drivers have no idea what to do, or how to react. I've come within literal inches of sending a tractor and chaser bin off the side of the road, which probably would have cost me my life, all because of an ignorant, arrogant, idiot in an old Commodore, and my nature of looking out for others, just like the truckie in the story.

    Story goes:

    Driving in convoy between farm on the south west slopes. Escort in front with Canola comb, New Holland with chaser bin (me), John Deere header and then a rear escort. We were driving down a stretch of road that was on a flood plain, hence it was elevated with huge, deep table drains and frequent bridges. Dickhead in Commodore passed the header on the dirt (he hadn't had a chance to pull off yet), then comes up behind me.

    Now the chaser bin is 4m wide, and about the same high (20 tonner), so this dipstick couldn't see anything around me. I was traveling at 30kms (flat out for the header) and was about 30m from the start of the bridge (2 lanes). I was driving in the middle of the road getting prepared to go onto the bridge (only had Armco sides). And I couldn't safely let the car past until the other side. Anyway old mate decided the pub was calling too strongly and went onto the dirt again, from here it went very fast for me. He got between my huge rear tyre and the Armco and the tractor, I didn't know until he was there because I'd looked over the check clearance on the left side, and picked him up in my peripherals. Had I not steered the tractor hard left the wheel would have gone straight over his commodore (hand throttle was set). He then sped off into the distance leaving a swearing an honking me behind him.

    The header driver got on the UHF and couldn't believe what he had just watched. Apparently in my reaction I'd got within about 6 inches of cleaning up the Armco with the huge tyre, which would have sent the tractor over the edge had I hit.

    So lesson learned, don't risk your own life for an idiots. I was genuinely shaken after that, and one of my early trips with an oversize load.

    As to Ian's story, the truckie should not have put his family at risk because someone did to their own. But it is just another reminder that people have no idea, unless of course they've driven such a vehicle.

    And in 1995 I don't think many people wore seatbelts in trucks anyway...

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    Will, drive over the car next time if you have to, but don't flip a tractor and kill yourself because of someone like that. That's the problem with the original story, where a loaded truck with unrestrained passengers gave way to a car doing the wrong thing. That's one time when you've got to think of yourself first.

    (Now, when it's the other way around and it's the big vehicle at fault I know from experience there's not much you can do. I stay a long, long way from roadtrains because of some of the things they've done.)
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    Without searching,Im sure this was posted in the past.
    A truck is a workplace.Unrestrained passengers in a workplace,not good????
    My son worked at a hay/grains recieval plant last summer during his gap year.He saw several truckies kids ALMOST get run over by forklifts,the truckies then abused the staff over the incidents.Unrestrained children in a workplace,they were young and left to wander unsupervised.
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    I drive a truck with work at times 2 thing's learnt so far that they don't teach, One is there is a alot of people with licences but few with TRUCK licences,
    2 - let them hit you didn't feel the ford run into the truck, I was in the right he wrote his car off in my opinion better them then me. (But I didn't see him)

    In reading that story I see fault if you have a clown bugging you slow down pull over let him go it ain't worth it I say.

    Sad Story tho I feel for those impacted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LandyAndy View Post
    Without searching,Im sure this was posted in the past.
    A truck is a workplace.Unrestrained passengers in a workplace,not good????
    My son worked at a hay/grains recieval plant last summer during his gap year.He saw several truckies kids ALMOST get run over by forklifts,the truckies then abused the staff over the incidents.Unrestrained children in a workplace,they were young and left to wander unsupervised.
    Andrew

    technically the truckies are right....

    it sucks but the plant operator/guide has the responsability for the safety of every idiot who decides to impinge the safe operating area, its part of the reason I got out of crane driving. "whats that, you dont need a dogger, you know how to do it, ok sign this.." one accident later "sorry mate you gave the signal for the exact action I performed, your signed the indemnity that says you know what your doing and know the international hand signals, shall I review the camera footage, what do you mean you wouldnt have signed it if you knew you were going to be taped.....
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    Ah, but it's a workplace and kids shouldn't even be in there. (You'd think there would be the usual signs). Hopefully whoever runs the joint will start enforcing things before the otherwise inevitable happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davo View Post
    Will, drive over the car next time if you have to, but don't flip a tractor and kill yourself because of someone like that. That's the problem with the original story, where a loaded truck with unrestrained passengers gave way to a car doing the wrong thing. That's one time when you've got to think of yourself first.

    (Now, when it's the other way around and it's the big vehicle at fault I know from experience there's not much you can do. I stay a long, long way from roadtrains because of some of the things they've done.)
    I tell you what that steering wheel will be staying as still as when I'm chasing off the header next time! That was too close for me.

    And Andy, that seems odd, at Graincorp over here, the driver is the only one allowed out, and must be wearing Hi-Vis. Why are kids running around?

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    What I get from this thread is that praying to your favourite deity is
    significantly less effective than

    Advanced driver skills training

    restraining the kids

    trusting the emergency crews

    putting trust in skilled doctors and surgeons

    Observing all the rules in your work place.

    It's a tragedy that could have been lessened by being sensible.

    Drive safely peoples.

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    From my point the message was of road safety; simple, stop killing each other. That poor woman's account, for me, drove home a message far stronger than any other road safety message I've ever seen. To most of us road deaths are merely a statistic; these statistics had names, toys, a mummy and daddy and circumstances to which we could all relate. It became personal.
    All the hoo har about kids in trucks, religion or whose fault it was are distracting from the primary message.
    I'm not religious but I didn't find the religious aspect at all overbearing, I think it would be quite authentic for many people in that circumstance.
    It's so easy to sit in front of a keyboard and say that Darren (yep, like you and me he was an ordinary bloke with a name) should not have moved for the car. Those people have not been in the situation; Will has, he knows it is a reaction and dispite him saying "next time...............", he will react the same way. The only truck I ever rolled was avoiding a head-on with a car, I didn't have time to think.
    Seat belts in trucks, what a waste. Many truck cabs are less structurally sound than a Series Land Rover and cab mounted belts and suspension seats are a poor combination.
    Sharon Hourn, the author, is involved with Transhelp I believe, helping found it and counselling.

    Back to the point of the original post....LET'S STOP CRASHING INTO EACH OTHER.
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    I get your point, but a big part of road safety is to do whatever you can to avoid a tragedy, not drive a truck full of unrestrained people off a road and then wonder what went wrong. What I got from the story is that you can't amble around the place not thinking about what you're doing and then hope it'll be all right.

    Seatbelts, even in a Series, will at least stop you from being thrown out and having your car land on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    From my point the message was of road safety; ...
    I got a similar message. The two people in the truck wearing seatbelts survived. The two that weren't didn't survive.

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