Thread: Children and Arson.

I agree in principal that pretty much 10 and up know better and mostly even younger and they should be held accountable. I am no do gooder at all, but often there is a lot more to these issues and may not be black and white.
A lot would depend on the intent initially, Are they kids just lighting a small fire or is it deliberate arson?. I think most of us as kids and older have lit fires, not intending them to get out of hand or categorized as arson. Does that make us any less responsible or culpable?
Should those in the defence force that started one of these fires with live fire training be charged?
Controlled burns that get out of control, as these are deliberate actions?
And how is it relevant if one fire burns homes and injures and kills or injures? The intent or action is still there and is more luck or bad luck what it actually affects.
Just a bit of food for thought.

Originally Posted by dullbird

I know there were property loss on state mine but no where near the numbers of winmalee (which is referred to as links rd spiringwood, blue mountains fire)

Edit: actually looking back at the major fire updates according to that there were no property loss on state mine and very minimal on Mt York and Mt Victiria fire

The point I'm trying to make is I heard the same thing on the telly being said about how are the ADF going to compensate all those people that lost their homes.

But it wasn't the state mine fire that burnt down their homes and state mine was the one they started.
Unless of course state mine started the links Rd fire. Which I didn't think it did.

Major fire updates doesn't list damage for State Mine, (not sure why) it doesn't however say there was no damage.

It does contain the following statement

Impact Assessment Teams have been undertaking assessments of fire damaged property in the Blue Mountains, checking for hazards such as asbestos and other contaminants, the structural integrity of buildings and trees, and other safety issues.

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Zig Zag railway would probably argue that they have sustained losses.

I would think that ADF will take responsibility for the fire (they have just about done that), and pay compensation to those that have suffered losses. Failing that I would imagine there will be a civil case for compensation.

A bit of video
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EAp_NhbF68"]Lithgow on Fire - YouTube[/ame]


Martyn

Martyn I'm not disagree'ing with you!!!

The fact is on the telly the other night they were saying ALL damage in the blue mountains and there was heavy suggestion to the 300 lost and damaged houses, these are the ones I'm referring too, not the ones that may of actually sustained damage due to state mine.

State mine did largely burn through NP though I'm sure hence why it was so hard to get under control, and why it move so quickly.

I'm not trying to preach to you I know you are a fiery and no doubt largely involved.

I'm just pointing out to frantic's comment that I don't believe ADF can be held responsible for house losses that occurred outside the state mine fire. It was I feel quite badly reported in the news because we all want someone to blame.

Either way we are doing a great job of going off track. Considering the initial post

Ps i have seen the drone YouTube clip that's its third repost

i dont think the DD should pay compensation. it wasnt a fire ban day.

Originally Posted by Eevo

i dont think the DD should pay compensation. it wasnt a fire ban day.

For what I have heard the demolition took place in a site that if there was a fire it will be impossible to put of because the danger of so many explosives in the land.
I just wonder, if the information was true, if it is sensible or responsible to do these type of work were it will be impossible to stop a possible fire.........
Why it is that when farmers have to do a burn they have to ask permission to the local fire brigade and also have the necessary provision to stop fire spreading and the DF not?
It is not that a case of negligence?

Yes but failure to have a fire management plan in place, lack of on site mitigation etc etc.

Lou, State Mine burnt north into Wollemi until it reached the Bungleboori Ck, fortunately it didn't cross further. There's only one road through there and it hasn't been driven for a long time and it doesn't pass anywhere near the fire front. Plus there's more fires in the northern side of the Wollemi near Main Ck and Howes Swamp and another 25000Ha at Hungerford Ck. I don't know how close it came to the pines but there'd be some nervous NP people out there.

All up almost 90,000 hectares in the Wollemi alone.

Originally Posted by Chucaro

I just wonder, if the information was true, if it is sensible or responsible to do these type of work were it will be impossible to stop a possible fire.........

DD asked to chop down the trees but the greenies/council wouldn't let them.

Originally Posted by Eevo

DD asked to chop down the trees but the greenies/council wouldn't let them.

Well, then simple, if it is not suitable for that kind of work do not do it.