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    Unrealistic expectations from Dealer?

    Am I being unreasonable and expecting too much from a major LR dealer?

    Brf summary. Back around May this year a replacement (NEW, under a Recall Campaign) plastic fuel tank fitted through/by a major LR dealer.
    Obviously this was to be 'No charge' to me.

    Service there was tops, lots of fuss made over the 'Vintage' car and a firm turnaround time given.

    I left with 2 instructions.
    1. - I did'nt want to return and find "unexpected" / UN-authorised cost$, and

    2. - Ring me if there's any query or concern or need to spend money .... and permission would be given... (within reason, of course!) And yes, they did have my mobile number...

    I was assured that they'd ring me if required.

    Yes, car was returned with much politeness and on time. New petrol tank that I could now fill FULL, without leaving a trail of dripping fuel....

    Until today.
    Filled the car as normal, but this time a smell of fuel and a puddle underneath...
    The breather pipe that runs from top of tank up to the top of the filler neck was soaked and dripping fuel. From a quick look (and picture) it seems the rubber pipe is totally *cactus* (technical term meaning structural failure of covering and lining materials...) where it joins onto the plastic fitting from the filler-neck.
    Seeing as this breather pipe has previously been bodgied with a piece of 19mm copper water-pipe, it should be obvious to anyone that the rubber hose is past it's "Use-By Date" and should have been replaced.

    Now as it's not exactly part of the fuel tank, but attaches to a fitting (?) on the top/centre of it, it would therefore be a separate part number and item.... which was so obviously *stuffed* (another Tech term, means homogeneity is compromised to point of failure...) that it should be replaced at cost to the owner (me) I'd have accepted that. Even paid up to an exorbitant $50 or so.... - Easier/cheaper to change when the tank is out...

    But NO-ONE rang me, or mentioned it, just merely removed it from the old tank and re-fitted it to the new, despite being leaky or about to leak....

    Am I being unreasonable is feeling that this major Land Rover Dealership has let me down, on the aspects of 'Workmanship' and Safety?
    First pic is from my phone, the rest after I got home, burning off a few litres...
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    In your last two photos, could this piece of hose be easily seen while they were doing the job. If so yes it is not unrealistic for them to do this free of charge, or a very small cost.

    Out of interest, what is the vehicle and its age?
    Dave.

    I was asked " Is it ignorance or apathy?" I replied "I don't know and I don't care."


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    Is there a reason why didn't you change it when you fitted the new filler pipe in April?
    Scott

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    Based on the description it appears that the dealer performed the recall correctly, so I'd be happy with that. If they had alerted you to other potential issues then I would regard that as above and beyond the call of duty. It doesn't look like a particularly expensive or difficult thing to fix.

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    Range Rover Classic, 1995 (July 1994 build). Less than 180K at that time. Presented to them in 101% clean & detailed condition, inside, outside and underneath. Have always found a clean, oil/grease-free car impresses and inspires mechanics.

    No, I did'nt expect them to replace it for free, was quite happy to pay, and during conversation I thought I'd made it clear this was the case and that they were to ring me if they found anything else worthy of attention. Urgent or could be done later.

    What really annoys me is.... to do the job properly the tank may well have to come out again. Don't know if it can be got at via a floor hatch.....so much easier and better to do whilst the tank is sitting on the ground/bench with full access.

    In hindsight I should have specifically asked them to replace that hose... I'm just used to Mechanics being switched on, keen to service and generate income.... Certainly the franchise that #3 son is apprenticed to would never let something like that slip through without at least mentioning it as a 'Do ASAP' job.

    Of course I'll replace that hose... from the copper pipe to the plastic bit.
    Just hope it does'nt disintergrate when I touch it.
    If it has'nt started already.

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    No - you are not being unreasonable. I would have expected a phone call advising me there was a problem and giving me the option of R&R while the tank was out.

    When I drop a car off for work I always ask if there is anything else that should be done while it is in bits and also request them to have a bit of a squizz to check out normally inaccessible components.

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    Expecting a dealer to do anything correctly is unrealistic.

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    I am sorry to lol but LOL did u really think a mechanic of any standard would do what is classed as good honest work, the whole reason I own landies is cause I can work on them in my shed. and this is why:

    17yrs old first car a 1973 corona sedan, my dad's "mate" who was a mechanic said he would tune and sevice it for me I paid an exorbitant $120, that incl no filters oil,fuel or air. I drove for about 50k's and car died, got my 19yr old girlfreinds brother to look at it (not a mechanic) he taught me a few things while we did it and I ended up driving to qld from south coast nsw in it.

    19yrs old: by then I had smashed that car being young and dumb and I had done a bit of work on a few cars by then but my pop used the same shop for services for 20yrs so I booked in for a service after rebuilding my first carb, got my car back drove for 20k's and it started over fuelling, pulled carb out and apart and found a nice new clip (not from me) in my plunger in carby which was catching the spring everytime I put my foot down
    so moral of the story for me is I DON"T TRUST OR USE MECHANICS AND NEVER WILL watch aca or any of those any day of the week you will see mechanics ripping ppl blind. My advice learn to do it yourself or find some guru on here that will do it for ya.

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    "... am sorry to lol but LOL did u really think a mechanic of any standard would do what is classed as good honest work,..."

    Broadly speaking I'd agree with you... But in fairness, a good friend of mine runs a small servicing business and does well on repeat business and word-of-mouth advertising. However, I'd never strain the friendship with my RR. (He's been bitten a few times.)

    I'm just annoyed that 'whoever' did the work did'nt mention this.... and sadly, it confirms my (and your) suspicion of laziness/incompetance/mis-communication found in some organizations....
    There is a certain satisfaction in accomplishing a difficult task, (totally re-built an AUDI 4cyl engine in my youth which did hundreds of 000's km afterwards) but too many years owning Jap vehicles since meant my limited skills - and confidence - died from lack of use...

    But yes, - I'll join you in laughing .

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    Quote Originally Posted by omnibus View Post
    I am sorry to lol but LOL did u really think a mechanic of any standard would do what is classed as good honest work, the whole reason I own landies is cause I can work on them in my shed. and this is why:

    17yrs old first car a 1973 corona sedan, my dad's "mate" who was a mechanic said he would tune and sevice it for me I paid an exorbitant $120, that incl no filters oil,fuel or air. I drove for about 50k's and car died, got my 19yr old girlfreinds brother to look at it (not a mechanic) he taught me a few things while we did it and I ended up driving to qld from south coast nsw in it.

    19yrs old: by then I had smashed that car being young and dumb and I had done a bit of work on a few cars by then but my pop used the same shop for services for 20yrs so I booked in for a service after rebuilding my first carb, got my car back drove for 20k's and it started over fuelling, pulled carb out and apart and found a nice new clip (not from me) in my plunger in carby which was catching the spring everytime I put my foot down
    so moral of the story for me is I DON"T TRUST OR USE MECHANICS AND NEVER WILL watch aca or any of those any day of the week you will see mechanics ripping ppl blind. My advice learn to do it yourself or find some guru on here that will do it for ya.

    Being a retired Spanner myself I agree with a lot of this. But not all are bad. I have worked at a lot of different places and have seen it all. There are some very good and reputable ones and some real dodgy ones. The latter I never lasted long at as I have a conscience.

    I have never met Justin Cooper but I can tell through his demeanor around here that he would be as honest and competent, as the day is long. If I was one who took my car to a shop I would not hesitate with JC.

    There are others here also who run workshops that I am sure are honest as well as competent.

    So there are plenty of good ones, the hard part can be finding them.
    Dave.

    I was asked " Is it ignorance or apathy?" I replied "I don't know and I don't care."


    1983 RR gone (wish I kept it)
    1996 TDI ES.
    2003 TD5 HSE
    1987 Isuzu County

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