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    Quote Originally Posted by CapableCate View Post
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    The only thing I would add is that there is more and more evidence of Fructose being the particular sugar to be avoided. ...
    On the contrary, the best evidence to date on fructose to date disagrees with you:
    Diabetes Care. 2012 Jul;35(7):1611-20. doi: 10.2337/dc12-0073.
    Effect of fructose on glycemic control in diabetes: a systematic review and meta-analysis of controlled feeding trials.
    Cozma AI, Sievenpiper JL, de Souza RJ, Chiavaroli L, Ha V, Wang DD, Mirrahimi A, Yu ME, Carleton AJ, Di Buono M, Jenkins AL, Leiter LA, Wolever TM, Beyene J, Kendall CW, Jenkins DJ.
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    Clinical Nutrition and Risk Factor Modification Center, St. Michael’s Hospital, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
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    OBJECTIVE:

    The effect of fructose on cardiometabolic risk in humans is controversial. We conducted a systematic review and meta-analysis of controlled feeding trials to clarify the effect of fructose on glycemic control in individuals with diabetes.
    RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS:

    We searched MEDLINE, EMBASE, and the Cochrane Library (through 22 March 2012) for relevant trials lasting ≥7 days. Data were aggregated by the generic inverse variance method (random-effects models) and expressed as mean difference (MD) for fasting glucose and insulin and standardized MD (SMD) with 95% CI for glycated hemoglobin (HbA(1c)) and glycated albumin. Heterogeneity was assessed by the Cochran Q statistic and quantified by the I(2) statistic. Trial quality was assessed by the Heyland methodological quality score (MQS).
    RESULTS:

    Eighteen trials (n = 209) met the eligibility criteria. Isocaloric exchange of fructose for carbohydrate reduced glycated blood proteins (SMD -0.25 [95% CI -0.46 to -0.04]; P = 0.02) with significant intertrial heterogeneity (I(2) = 63%; P = 0.001). This reduction is equivalent to a ~0.53% reduction in HbA(1c). Fructose consumption did not significantly affect fasting glucose or insulin. A priori subgroup analyses showed no evidence of effect modification on any end point.
    CONCLUSIONS:

    Isocaloric exchange of fructose for other carbohydrate improves long-term glycemic control, as assessed by glycated blood proteins, without affecting insulin in people with diabetes. Generalizability may be limited because most of the trials were <12 weeks and had relatively low MQS (<8). To confirm these findings, larger and longer fructose feeding trials assessing both possible glycemic benefit and adverse metabolic effects are required.
    As for your quoted post - fish oil is good for your heart, but evidence is mounting that it is bad for everything else (prostate cancer, dementia, etc...).
    Oily fish is good, however fish oil is proving to be not so good overall.

    As for Statins and Cholesterol,... I am sitting on the fence until I have reviewed more research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    On the contrary, the best evidence to date on fructose to date disagrees with you:


    As for your quoted post - fish oil is good for your heart, but evidence is mounting that it is bad for everything else (prostate cancer, dementia, etc...).
    Oily fish is good, however fish oil is proving to be not so good overall.

    As for Statins and Cholesterol,... I am sitting on the fence until I have reviewed more research.
    Fair enough regarding Fructose in relation to diabetes, and if I can find the items I read a few months ago, I will post, as my memory isn't good enough to relate in any detail. However, they weren't written in reference to sugar management, but in relation to effects from combining with certain other nutrients.
    Hadn't heard about the Fish Oil over all, but my partner is eating fresh Salmon regularly, and replaced the Fish Oil with Krill Oil months ago, as advised it was the better option.
    Certainly in the 18 months he's been eating carefully, and has followed the Garlic/Lemon mixture regime 6 monthly, he's not only maintaining 4.2-3 reading, but has lost most of his 'middle' gut weight, and is feeling really good. He doesn't get the exercise he used to when in the field, and now operational management, desk driving, so didn't expect to have such good results without extra exercise.
    There is never a 'one size, fits all' with any of the diet/supplement/medication regimes promoted, as we are all individual with various other health conditions, and different body shapes, metabolisms etc. As a general rule, I have tried to manage my conditions with a balanced approach of a little of everything in moderation, 10-15 minute brisk walk a day, and spending quality time with friends & family, helping out when ever you can, and making time to relax & appreciate the beauty and nature of our beautiful country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapableCate View Post
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    Hadn't heard about the Fish Oil over all, but my partner is eating fresh Salmon regularly, and replaced the Fish Oil with Krill Oil months ago, as advised it was the better option.

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    Fish oil and Krill oil are both DHA (Omega 3), so when I say fish oil I am referring to both.

    Prostate cancer:
    Omega-3 raises prostate cancer risk › News in Science (ABC Science)

    Below is a study which shows that impaired blood brain barrier function (a precursor to dementia) is made worse by DHA (fish / krill oil).
    Int J Vasc Med. 2012; 2012: 647689.
    Published online 2011 November 10. doi: 10.1155/2012/647689
    PMCID: PMC3216294
    A Diet Enriched in Docosahexanoic Acid Exacerbates Brain Parenchymal Extravasation of Apo B Lipoproteins Induced by Chronic Ingestion of Saturated Fats
    Menuka M. Pallebage-Gamarallage, 1, 2 Virginie Lam, 1, 2 Ryusuke Takechi, 1, 2 Susan Galloway, 1, 2 and John C. L. Mamo 1, 2 *
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    This article has been cited by other articles in PMC.
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    Chronic ingestion of saturated fatty acids (SFAs) was previously shown to compromise blood-brain barrier integrity, leading to brain parenchymal extravasation of apolipoprotein B (apo lipoproteins enriched in amyloid beta. In contrast, diets enriched in mono- or polyunsaturated (PUFA) oils had no detrimental effect. Rather, n3 and n6 oils generally confer protection via suppression of inflammation. This study investigated in wild-type mice if a PUFA diet enriched in docosahexanoic acid (DHA) restored blood-brain barrier integrity and attenuated parenchymal apo B abundance induced by chronic ingestion of SFA. Cerebrovascular leakage of apo B was quantitated utilising immunofluorescent staining. The plasma concentration of brain-derived S100β was measured as a marker of cerebrovascular inflammation. In mice fed SFA for 3 months, provision thereafter of a DHA-enriched diet exacerbated parenchymal apo B retention, concomitant with a significant increase in plasma cholesterol. In contrast, provision of a low-fat diet following chronic SFA feeding had no effect on SFA-induced parenchymal apo B. The findings suggest that in a heightened state of cerebrovascular inflammation, the provision of unsaturated fatty acids may be detrimental, possibly as a consequence of a greater susceptibility for oxidation.

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    Good grief....eating is a health hazard. I'm stopping immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    On the contrary, the best evidence to date on fructose to date disagrees with you:...............
    On the other hand I agree that fructose being the particular sugar to be avoided.

    The impact of fructose on renal function and blood pressure.
    Kretowicz M, Johnson RJ, Ishimoto T, Nakagawa T, Manitius J.
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    Department of Nephrology, Hypertension and Internal Medicine, Collegium Medicum in Bydgoszcz, Nicolaus Copernicus University in Toruń, ul. Skłodowskiej-Curie 9, 85-094 Bydgoszcz, Poland.
    Abstract

    Fructose is a sugar present in sucrose, high-fructose corn syrup, honey, and fruits. Fructose intake has increased markedly in the last two centuries, primarily due to increased intake of added sugars. Increasing evidence suggests that the excessive intake of fructose may induce fatty liver, insulin resistance, dyslipidemia, hypertension, and kidney disease. These studies suggest that excessive intake of fructose might have an etiologic role in the epidemic of obesity, diabetes, and cardiorenal disease.

    There are so many medical publications about the effects of taken fructose that we will not have a room in the server to post them.

    What this bring is that we have to take research papers "with a grain of salt" and pay more attention to our body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikehzz View Post
    Good grief....eating is a health hazard. I'm stopping immediately.
    There is not one single post about grog so it have to be safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucaro View Post
    On the other hand I agree that fructose being the particular sugar to be avoided.

    The impact of fructose on renal function and blood pressure.
    Kretowicz M, Johnson RJ, Ishimoto T, Nakagawa T, Manitius J.
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    Department of Nephrology, Hypertension and Internal Medicine, Collegium Medicum in Bydgoszcz, Nicolaus Copernicus University in Toruń, ul. Skłodowskiej-Curie 9, 85-094 Bydgoszcz, Poland.
    Abstract

    Fructose is a sugar present in sucrose, high-fructose corn syrup, honey, and fruits. Fructose intake has increased markedly in the last two centuries, primarily due to increased intake of added sugars. Increasing evidence suggests that the excessive intake of fructose may induce fatty liver, insulin resistance, dyslipidemia, hypertension, and kidney disease. These studies suggest that excessive intake of fructose might have an etiologic role in the epidemic of obesity, diabetes, and cardiorenal disease.

    There are so many medical publications about the effects of taken fructose that we will not have a room in the server to post them.

    What this bring is that we have to take research papers "with a grain of salt" and pay more attention to our body.
    Arthur, the paper I posted was a meta-analysis in 2012 of ALL previous papers, including your 2011 paper above.

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    From my own experience...

    “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

    I'm sure Dr Ancel Keys, his colleagues, disciples and the Press would be eager to assist us in sorting out which is which...

    But as he does'nt own a Land Rover, his presence here is wishful thinking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucaro View Post
    There is not one single post about grog so it have to be safe
    Indeed, alcohol has been consumed for thousands of years, yet there is still no evidence that shows low consumption rates are harmful.

    The human digestive system even produces ~1/3 of a standard drink of ethanol every day.


    Quote Originally Posted by superquag View Post

    “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
    That statement is repeated ad nauseum by people who don't understand statistics.

    Those who do understand statistics, know that the statement itself is a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superquag View Post
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    I cut out the carbs. moderate protein and HEAPS of fats. Even Saturated, such as found in meat, cream in coffee and my mushrooms die very happy in their swimming pool of butter.

    Yes, I eat lots of green leafy veggies and sardines, sometimes wild salmon and tuna.
    No, I don't have ANY grains, or fruit, except tomatoes which are merely an excuse to consume HUGE amounts of natural SALT... and various herbal supplements such as cinnamon, turmeric, peppers cumin.

    Result: Fat falling off, blood sugars (HbA1C) fallen from 11.2 - which got the Dept. of T "interested" in me - to 7.3s.... (acceptable) to 5.6 (DoT gave me another 12 monthy licence but 4 months early!)

    Blood pressure is around 120/72 with NO BP medications, and 110/66 when on 1/4 of the prescribed dose... Someone tell me again how eating so much Evil Salt is sending my BP.... down.

    ....
    Interesting. Bloke I work will swears by this as well. He has lost over 40kg this year, he's been grossly overweight his entire life. Says BP and col are still within normal.
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