Arthur, you are going to open a can of worms with this thread!
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Arthur, you are going to open a can of worms with this thread!
Yep, I can imagine more hospitals, more schools better welfare. If only. If only we didn't waste millions on millions of dollars on invading other countries and destroying their countries and creating the bulk of the current refugee problem that we have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by amtravic1
Just think if we didn't invade to rid Iraq of all of those weapons of mass destruction, we would have less refugees, more hospitals, more schools, better welfare. Maybe even less taxes
Support the invasion did you? Then live with the consequences.
Tom.
Don't think of this problem as a National problem, bring it down to a personal level.
Are you prepared to happily accept any unknown person/family at all who simply walks in from where ever, through your unbolted back door, uninvited and unvetted, and then treat them the same way that you treat the rest of your family.
Most families would treat this as a house invasion or burglary or some other such crime!
We even get sick and tired of close relations after a couple of weeks.
Suddenly it is a very different picture.
Regards
Glen
How many people reading this, have looked into the face of a survivor of the Rwandan Genocide, while having a conversation with them, here in Australia ? ------ I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikehzz
The weapons dealers from the civilised world have a lot to answer for .
Without weapons, being anything like machetes, firearms and their ammunition, just how long would these wars go for?
Ref; Machetes and Firearms: The Organization of Massacres in Rwanda
" This article is a quantitative study of the use of machetes and firearms during the 1994 genocide in Rwanda, Kibuye Prefecture. The machete is an agricultural tool owned by most Rwandan households and is believed to have been the prime instrument of killing during the genocide. The article addresses the question to what extent individual characteristics of victims (gender, age, occupation) and aspects of the Rwandan genocide (location of atrocities, point in time during the genocide) determined the perpetrators’ use of modern rather than traditional weapons to kill individual victims. An original database developed by the organization of the survivors of the genocide (IBUKA) is used. The data were collected from 1996 to 1999 and contain information on the deaths of 59,050 victims. Logistical regression analysis is performed to explain the use of either a traditional weapon or a firearm to kill the victims. The analysis shows that the probability of being killed with a firearm depended on the location where the victim was killed (more particularly, on whether or not the victim was killed in a large-scale massacre); on the commune of residence and the age of the victim; on the number of days after 6 April the victim was killed; and on interaction effects between the latter two variables and the gender of the victim. The importance of individual characteristics, location of atrocities and timing for the use of different kinds of weapons adds to our understanding of the organized nature of the Rwandan genocide. "
I copied that article in full as I didn't want to flavour any part of that story by posting it in part.
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100% Agree...and I am not against GENUINE "REFUGEES".....but I am against these well fed, gold chained, manicured people, paying & illegally coming to OUR country.Quote:
Originally Posted by amtravic1
Like I said when John Howard was in power, at the time he said, "We will determine who comes to Australia". At the time I said, & STILL say, "I ain't against refugees, GENUINE refugees".
Also at that time I said, if John Howard said, "Well I'm going to bring not 5000, but 50,000, but we are going to visit the camps etc where people have no food, no roof over their head, no money, NO HOPE (These are genuine refugees), and we will take 50,000 of these people, only thing is, you will all have to pay more tax to pay for this",....I would not have a problem, I would pay.....I think most Aussies would.
Cheers, Pickles.
Arthur, I hope that this image get into the brains of some people that cannot or cannot understand the tragic actions of humanity :(
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/11/304.jpg
This thread is a wonderful reminder of why I should stay in the technical sections of aulro..
perhaps ?Quote:
Originally Posted by flagg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/11/301.jpg
"Without freedom of thought there can be no such thing as wisdom and no such thing as public liberty without freedom of speech. - Benjamin Franklin, 1722"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearman
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I think you miss the point.Quote:
If you want rules applied to all, why are you not campaigning about all of the
illegal arrivals that fly in? Oh, that's right, it hasn't been successfully
politicised has it.
We know who people coming by air are in nearly all cases.
How many Captain AMADs come by boat, are actually people smugglers , have a daughter who tells the authorities her parents are dead, then get 2 public houses in Canberra?
The authorities just do not know who the people coming on boats are and IMHO many are not who they say they are.
Unlike the nurse on Christmas Island my wife's cousinn is a Catholic Religious person( AKA nun) who was an "interlocutor " at Curtin recently., with the role of listening to arrival's stories.
Before going she was an unashamed enthusiast for the boat people.
On return when I asked her about her experiences she said there were many harrowing stories, but she had no way of knowing if they were true.
In addition seeing a large proportion of recent arrivals are Iranians, I asked her what they were like.
Her answer was that they were "very demanding" and expected to be immediately accepted and to be given what they demanded. She said that the english teacher made a point in his lessons to teach them not to continually say "I want" .
While she would NEVER admit that the experience had changed her previous unconditional support for boat people, I sensed that her opinion had changed dramatically from her experience.
I guess the irony is that middle class Iranians would probably fit into our society much better than illiterate Afghans, but the individuals who pay for passage are probably not who we would choose as immigrants , on character or criminal history checks.
Regards Philip A