Thread: Waking up Australia to compassion.

Are there Australians who are perhaps just as worthy of our compassion (and tax dollars)? Why are the do-gooders so focused on the non-Australians? What about our mentally ill, our elderly, our countrymen who live in poverty? How do they rank behind illegal immigrants? Why isn't this post about championing their cause?

I'll tell you why.

The do-gooders aren't interested in their fellow Aussie. They think he/she is racist if they don't share their opinion. They don't believe that Australia has a way of life and culture worth fiercly protecting, or even dying for as so many real Australians have.

They don't look at what is happening in Europe and the MIddle East and think that Australia shoud be proud to be different and smart enough to fiercly protect that difference.

It doesn't occur to them that their kids will inherit this country and that we should be looking to leave them a safe and peaceful legacy.

We cannot afford to be reckless and we must be brave enough to stand up for ourselves and be proud of who we are and what we have built at the arse end of the world AND PROTECT IT.

Opening the flood gates with a tear in our eyes to appease a bunch of bleeding hearts who care more about strangers than they do their own countrymen is just blatant stupidity

I welcome with open arms any migrant that knocks on our front door and comes here looking to build a better life while respecting our way of life and culture. I hope like hell that 30 years from now commonsense has prevailed and we can still look around us and love where we live.

Afghanistan, Iran etc were not Islamic countries run under sharia law, I fear for my great grand kids they will be living under sharia law here in Australia

I recently went to see Ahn Do and listened to his story, and where its an amazing tale of people seeking a better life, the main thing I came away with was how proud an Aussie he has become, and how he is giving back to the country that took them in.

I have no problem with people coming here, they can come anyway they like boat,plane ,swim whatever, BUT if they arrive with no documents then they go thru the process...simple... We would as a country be better off telling people who arrive here with no papers they will spend up to 2 yrs in detention while we try and find out who they are, BUT , if they have documents they go to the front of the queue. This may filter back and atleast make people think before they destroy their passports etc.

From my understanding the reason they are in detention is because we don't know who they are ... Which I believe is correct.. If they don't want to spend 2 yrs in detention then they have the option of being returned home, as some of the Sri Lankan's did.

Last year I participated in an employment program with refugee's working for us on a casual basis, and the biggest killer was the language barrier, it was actually dangerous in some cases. We also had some that refused to work because they weren't happy being in a detention centre. These people were getting schooled 3 days a week, but didn't seem to interested in trying to mingle with others who were working... Sure not all were like that, but 90% were. Of the 30 odd we tried not 1 lasted more than a couple of days.

As for the fly ins that overstay, well its a major problem sure, I know of about a dozen that have been caught here in Darwin and sent packing in the last few weeks, but that is just the tip of the ice burg im sure.

I personally don't think that many people flat out don't want refugee's its the fact that they don't do themselves any favours by turning up with not identification and expect to walk free once they get here.

My 2c worth

Cheers Ean

Originally Posted by Chucaro

perhaps ?

At least it stops the sky from falling........... which is becoming a regular occurrence here.

Across the world billions of people live in conditions that we in Australia would consider unacceptable. If we opened our hearts, our homes and our wallets to even a small fraction of these, the end result would simply be that we ourselves would find ourselves living in the same unacceptable conditions.

The people arriving on our shores illegally are not the poor, the starving, or the destitute the media shows us. The billions we spend on accommodating illegal arrivals in Australia would achieve far more good for far more people if it was spent overseas on the truly desperately needy, helping them to be able to help themselves.

Could this all be payback for the sins of Colonisation centuries earlier, which is why we have the mantras of Multiculturalism in the West, and Indigenisation and Black Economic Empowerment elsewhere, being equally embraced by the left wing elements of our society? Certainly I have trouble seeing the logic of it all sometimes

Originally Posted by Firefish

Across the world billions of people live in conditions that we in Australia would consider unacceptable. If we opened our hearts, our homes and our wallets to even a small fraction of these, the end result would simply be that we ourselves would find ourselves living in the same unacceptable conditions.

The people arriving on our shores illegally are not the poor, the starving, or the destitute the media shows us. The billions we spend on accommodating illegal arrivals in Australia would achieve far more good for far more people if it was spent overseas on the truly desperately needy, helping them to be able to help themselves.

Could this all be payback for the sins of Colonisation centuries earlier, which is why we have the mantras of Multiculturalism in the West, and Indigenisation and Black Economic Empowerment elsewhere, being equally embraced by the left wing elements of our society? Certainly I have trouble seeing the logic of it all sometimes

I agree 100% and if instead of sending money we send goods then we will be able to employ more people in Australia and reduce the waste of money that goes towards "administration costs"

As an example sending the prefab emergency houses or water treatment plants, water pumps, etc all made in Oz will be better than send money IMO.

A question for the observant global traveller...

The Elephant in the Room.:-

Does Japan have a social problem with Ethnic/Islamic minorities, many living off government handouts?
-Does it indeed have (as we have in some E/States suburbs or areas) enclaves of these non-integrating goups....?

How easy or difficult is it to obtain Japanese Citizenship compared with Australian criteria?
- Most importantly, how are these rules applied in real life by Japanese officials?

Hint:- See how far you get with limited, mis-pronounced, incomprehensibly accented and grammatically incorrect spoken language, never mind inability to read Japanese...

It would be instructive to know, what the Citizenship and civil behavioural laws are applicable in 'advanced' or wealthier Islamic countries. - compared to ours, both in written regulations as well as practical application.

Without debating the Rights & Wrongs of invading other countries- then being morally obliged to accept their refugees... or any fleeing from internal civil/religious/criminal wars.

Just as a comment on work/social-ethic of some visitors. It seems from my own experience with folk of differant cultures, that the gulf between our (laid back?) approach to consistant and reliable effort - never mind competancies - is huge. So much so that it can be seen as almost unworkable. Radical and Fundementalism in their religious/Social adherence makes the problems impossible...

Illegal immigrants I don't care if they come by boat or air they are hear illegal and should be treated as such they are no longer refugees once they reach the first safe habour as for the one's that fly here they are economic refugees. Australia owes these's people NOTHING not a cracker send them back as to where they came I have nothing against people coming here legaly and wanting to live as we do. Part of these people becoming Australian is they must no how to speak english and use it in public don't care what they speak in there own house but I am sick to death of the bleading hearts telling us what we must do for these's criminals as for these's illegals demanding that we should buy them coputers, tv's,mobil phones and the like if they don't like it GO HOME .