Recovery Points

Thanks Kev it certainly does..


I am well aware of the potential danger if using in adequate points and my gut feeling told that those tie downs where certainly not strong enough..... but I thought I'd ask those with more experience than me... having now owned a Discovery for approximately 72 hours!... I have had previous 4x4 experience but some input from here is always welcome...


Will follow your suggestions... for the day in the future that I need recovering!

Cheers,
Mark

As Kev says I don't think I would be using the front tie downs for a snatch recovery.

I still begs the question though?

The rear can be taken care of with a correctly rated tow bar and the appropriate attachment and everyone standing clear.

The front still remains a mystery. I've read of Jate rings and rated front mounted tow bars but has anyone found an engineered solution for front recovery points?

Whilst taking on board Kevs comments about recovery points I would have thought the aftermarket bullbar (provided it is engineered properly) would represent an adequate recovery point.

My ARB bar is supporting a 8000lb winch although it is manufactured for a 10000lb. I do conceed the loads applied during winching are different to those applied during a snatch recovery. However if the load is distributed to more than one recovery point then I would assume the bar would be capable of withstanding that load (and I'm talking reasonable recovery methods). So the problem would be that of ensuring the recovery points are secured to the bar properly and then using a load distribution strap.

I do agree that the holes/loops on the ARB bar are not up to the job. Whilst I have used mine for snatch recovery in the past (before a bit of research) I stopped when I noticed how easily they bent when a winch load was applied (just reeling in the winch).

My current recovery points/hooks (from a mitsubishi truck) are mounted to the top of the bar and held with 2 high tensile bolts through a piece of 10mm flat plate (approx 150mmx50mm) under the bar. I would think it would be most unlikely that this would be able to be torn through the top of the bar (3'mm plate). They are positioned just outboard of the uprights.

Kev this is no way intended as any attack on your post but more an enquiry/question that will stimulate more discussion, even at the expense of proving my theory wrong.


Bushie

KEV0044 Said
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The rear tow hitch with a 'genuine' Land Rover fitted tow bar , is rated at 4 tonne[/b][/quote]
Try finding the rating of the tow ball, no one can tell you. buy law you can only have a hich wight of 120 kg down force when towing a tralier, that is a big diffrence to 4 ton. It dose not have a shock loading as a with using a snachem strap. I have seen the tow ball ripped off on double Island point. Thats why I use the pin.

Another point, a good recovery hook is only as good as the high tensile bolts its fitted with. Dont buy HT bolts from Bunnings and DIY. Spend the money and go to somewher like ARB and say hey guys heres some bucks fit me up a front recovery point. Theyll do it right the first time and its too expensive to do it any other way.

A few points here:

The chassis of a Land Rover is rated to tow a load of 3500 kg with brakes but we are talking about towing a load on wheels. This is limited by the down load of 120 Kilos on the hitch. This is another parameter and perhaps not relevant to this discussion as it relates to the downward vector of force applied to the rear of the vehicle and how that might lift the front end of the vehicle.

What is the rated safe working load on your snatch strap?

The tow ball should never be used as an attachment for a recovery strap apart from the fact that the strap loop might slip off the ball. Kev did not say tow ball.

I think that Kev (and he will probably remain quiet) refers to a positive attachment to the hitch receiver whether it is the "warn" device or the hitch pin but certainly not the ball.

Dynamic recovery is a complex process and has so many variables engineered and procedural that Kev and I take no responsiblity for any comments made on this forum.

Catastrophy theory says that disaster will happen as a result of a series of small things going wrong.

Cover the bases, deal with the obvious restraints as best you can and stand clear because sh*t happens.

the eyelets on the arb bull bars are not rated for recovery, they are for a bracket to adapt a high lift jack, I will have to look were my recovery hooks are exactly, but they are pretty much a staight pull from the chassis( I think) will look 2morrow.

Looks like I opened a can of worms with this one... 8O 8O 8O

My comments about the eyelets in the ARB bar were from information given to me from ARB.

If this information if incorrect then you all have my apoligees.

Getting an ARB bar...then gonna wath mud fly BB