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		The easiest (& maybe strongest) solution for front recovery points - JATE rings:
 
 http://www.aulro.com/albums/album37/..._037.sized.jpg
 
 Always used in pairs with a bridle.
 
 Available from Troutbeck sales for about $50 pr, in varying widths to suit rails with steering guards and/or bullbars attached.  Troutbeck also do chassis mounted front recovery brackets to specifically suit Disco's or Rangies, but I don't have a photo of them.
 
 Hope that's of some use.  Anyone have a photo of the rear recovery hook designed to fit in the towbar receiver?
 
 Paul
 
 
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		<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Anyone have a photo of the rear recovery hook designed to fit in the towbar receiver? [/b][/quote]
 
 
 This'd be it then?
 
 http://www.warn.com/truck/accessorie...18/Shackle.jpg
 
 More details are here
 
 Anyone know where to get them in Oz & how much?
 
 
 Paul
 
 
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		Recovery points 
		Gday all,
 I can vouch for needing to have a good recovery point as during a recovery of my old 1960 S2 shorty from a river bed I hooked the recovery gear to the rear towing point which I thought was pretty solid but on pull time the whole towing set up along with a large portion of the rear cross member went hurtling towards the recovery vehicle. Nothing or no-one was hit or hurt in the incident but it brought it home to me that for the older vehicles, the recovery points must be checked constantly for signs of corrosion and just general serviceability.
 We were just sooo lucky no-one was hurt.
 Great idea that reece hitch recovery point though. I think I will get one of those!! 8)
 Shano [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
 
 
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		8) this is very good info guys,and thank you all for your input. 
 i bought an 8ooo lb strap, 'cause one night i had to drag my son's mate out and [being a good dad who can get up in the middle of the night, drive 50k and pull a dipshxx out] spent the reimbursement [for breaking all my tie down straps] on a snatch strap.
 great you say, yeah how great what do i hook it on to?
 i replaced the tow bar yoke pin with a 90 ton aircraft bolt, 'cause i could [and 'cause its a hex head they ain't gunna steal my yoke]
 but i never thought of the ball - its stamped 4500kg!
 but as you have pointed out, thats not wot you can generate on a snatch situation.
 however my query interest is about the 'snatch'
 has any done any comps on how much 'snatch' force is created on a snatch recovery?
 all very nice to get pulled out of a stiff situation, but at what price?
 if we get saved by this method what damage does it do to the vehicles chassis alignment, if only pulled on one side, as in a front pull, [i guess the rear is usually going to be the tow bar as this is about the strongest bit on the back]
 like how fast does the monkey saving you from the bog have to go?
 the lenght of the strap, or is there some formula for this?
 8) harry
 
 
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		My grey matter and instincts have been challenged by this (but that is not hard):
 
 http://www.yican.com.au/ADR/TechADR.html
 
 There are some confronting ideas here.
 
 
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		HMMM ADR 
		The ADR looks very interesting, I have a question though, is it only designed for winch recoveries or can it be used for snatch recoveries also???????
 Shano
 
 
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		found my answer 
		Just found this site: http://www.lrm.co.uk/archive/modified%20ve...icles/Ibex.html
 ADR bridal cables
 Another neat aid to recovery are the ADR bridal cables fitted to the front and rear axles. These help spread the load during a snatch recovery in the usual way but, being located to the lower suspension mountings on the axles (rather than the chassis), means that any pull will directly affect the wheels and help lift the axle out of the gloop, rather than pull on the chassis which will tend to extend the suspension and more often than not drag the axles deeper.
 
 It also has a picture of the rear ADR cables on an IBEX. These look very useful and less stressful!!
 Shano [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
 
 
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		8) one_iota,. you have provided a link to a very informative article, and strangy' i'm impressed that the ibex uses it,
 that just about answers my questions, will look into it further, as i like the idea of a direct axle pull.
 thanks boys.
 8) harry
 
 
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		I enquired about the ADR cable from the Australian agent a couple of months ago (before I bought my JATE rings).  They had no stock, but were expecting some in March and would let me know when it arrives (haven't heard yet).  The clincher for me though was the price $250.  8O  I could have 6 sets of JATE rings for that, front & rear for 3 vehicles.
 
 
 Paul