Attacks on Police

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Originally Posted by joel0407

No, it's not right. Why would you need to ask?

What do you expect will happen when police take on a violet person, particularly a violet intoxicated person? Do you think it will make any difference at all if the penalty for assault on police is greater? Do you think a violent intoxicated or drug effected person will go:

"Oh it's the police, I'll just lie down and put my hands behind my back because if I try and fight them I might go to gaol for longer than if I just punch some random citizen".

People who assault police are beyond reason and it wouldn't matter what the penalty was, they would still take the same action. The only difference is the copper might get a bit more satisfaction.

Happy Days

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If they were just violet, then I'd be much happier... ;)

No, mostly we rock up and 90% of dickheads decide (quite rightly) to just do as they are told and don't make a scene - It's the other 10% that don't care. Harsher sentencing and more of a crackdown on their behaviour by society in general might make a difference to that lot.

Knowing you WILL go to gaol for assaulting an emergency/health worker could be a deterrent.

In Victoria it is slowly working in family violence situations. In most cases people with IVO's against them know that they'll get locked up for breaching.

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Originally Posted by Treads

If they were just violet, then I'd be much happier... ;)

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That's how to deal with it Treads, if they start getting violent, just take their 'n' away. ;)

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Originally Posted by ugu80

The male Const was grabbing the arm of the 90 odd kg guy to be ejected who would just swing his arm back and fling off the young copper like an annoying insect, then go back to his beer.

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I had to have a laugh at this.

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Originally Posted by ugu80

thought for a second and then just said, "Alright. I'm leaving" and just walked out.

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And you didn't charge him for resist police. Heaven forbid. Things have changed.

Young coppers these days think people should just do what they ask and then they charge them when they don't (multiple resist police). Really, what did he think was going to happen when he took on someone with and extra half his weight. Best to wait until you have the man power, issue him a ticket for fail to leave licensed premises when requested, and then use the extra manpower to eject him. If he is sober and compliant enough, give him a direction to leave the area, if not, lock him up for being intoxicated and disorderly otherwise he will just get into more trouble and you'll have to deal with him again. Also a good idea to get them lockup out of the way while the extra man power is there.

Before someone jumps in and says the extra manpower isn't always available, that's why police carry accoutrements. If he is sitting there drinking a beer, there is time to wait. If he is biffing on, I can smell OC.

Oh and don't be surprised if he wants to fight all of the police taking him out. If he lands one, well the police have been assaulted but it's no worse than the innocent punter that got punched by the drunk because he didn't like the colour of his shirt. I just had to add this because that's the subject of the thread. Assault is bad no matter what your role in society.

Something we don't see police handing out is the infringements to the bar staff serving intoxicated people. Police spend millions of dollars to catch drug dealers but dealing alcohol is a little too accepted. (Division 8.2 Liquor Act 2010 - ACT Legislation Register. Every state has there own version.)

Happy Days.

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Originally Posted by Treads

No, mostly we rock up and 90% of dickheads decide (quite rightly) to just do as they are told and don't make a scene - It's the other 10% that don't care. Harsher sentencing and more of a crackdown on their behaviour by society in general might make a difference to that lot.

Knowing you WILL go to gaol for assaulting an emergency/health worker could be a deterrent.

In Victoria it is slowly working in family violence situations. In most cases people with IVO's against them know that they'll get locked up for breaching.

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Because it's that 10% (I think it's far far less) that are the main people police deal with and the ones they remember. The 90% that get asked to leave and do are quickly forgotten.

I think breaching an IVO is a much more thought about act and that's why the harsher penalty works. The drug and alcohol effected people that assault police are far from reason. If they could be reasoned with they wouldn't be assaulting police. And again well if we are making the penalty harsher for assaulting police what about making the penalty more for assaulting my wife (she hasn't been assaulted, just making as example)?

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Originally Posted by Treads

If they were just violet, then I'd be much happier... ;)

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You can put your red pen away here, Sgt.

I do know what you are trying to highlight, Joel. Assault is wrong and unacceptable, regardless of who it is being committed upon.

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Originally Posted by joel0407

Because it's that 10% (I think it's far far less) that are the main people police deal with and the ones they remember. The 90% that get asked to leave and do are quickly forgotten.

I think breaching an IVO is a much more thought about act and that's why the harsher penalty works. The drug and alcohol effected people that assault police are far from reason. If they could be reasoned with they wouldn't be assaulting police. And again well if we are making the penalty harsher for assaulting police what about making the penalty more for assaulting my wife (she hasn't been assaulted, just making as example)?

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Is that your firsthand experience talking here?

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Originally Posted by ugu80

I do know what you are trying to highlight, Joel. Assault is wrong and unacceptable, regardless of who it is being committed upon.

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Bingo.


And everybody is important to someone. Police, ambos, firies, friends, partners, brothers, sisters, mother, fathers and children.

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Originally Posted by Treads

Is that your firsthand experience talking here?

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What makes you ask that?

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Originally Posted by joel0407

What makes you ask that?

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You seem to be speaking with some experience. I was just wondering what that was?

Not trying to pick a fight; but an earlier post of yours indicated that you thought police should expect to be assaulted on the job

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Originally Posted by joel0407

it's accepted as part of the job. Police go to work knowing that day, someone could try and shoot them, they may need to shoot someone else, some one may spit at them, someone may try and hurt them in some other way.

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