Attacks on Police

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Originally Posted by Treads

Not trying to pick a fight; but an earlier post of yours indicated that you thought police should expect to be assaulted on the job

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Here we go again. :)

My impression is that when Joel says the police accept that their job involves some fairly unpleasant things, he just means that it would be unrealistic for them to believe that it will never happen to them.

I don't think he means that they are quite happy for it to occur.

In the same way that a truck driver might say that he accepts that one of the risks of spending so much time on the road is that there is a greater chance that he will be inconvenienced or worse by some car driver who obviously got his licence from a cereal packet. Once again, it doesn't mean he is happy for that to occur.

In that context "accepting it as part of the job" could just mean being aware of the fact that it is a risk you run in that occupation. It doesn't have to mean that you tolerate it or welcome it.

OTOH, I could be completely wrong about what he means. :D

Way back in the early 70's I used to work an afternoon shift and have a"Counter Lunch/tea"at the hotel cnr of Princess Hwy and Canel /Ricketty st
"Southern Cross" from memory,and can remember a migrant bloke very drunk and VERY loud giving the barman trouble evicting him, the local "Bikie Group" came to barman's assistance,noise maker tossed into first lane of traffic :o everything quietned down and we had tea and left,problem solved no need for police involvement.

I also rode motorbikes in Sydney and would spend 5/6 nights up the "Cross" watching the hippy chicks etc.and have seen "Bikers" assist the strip club doormen eject patrons for drunkeness, we would often transport Strippers from one club to another on the back of our bikes,(all this was long before the Drugs and Guns of today's culture) the F100 "Paddy Wagon" doing the half hourly cruise up Darlinghurst Rd, never got to ride in it,came close for giving a constable lip, "what's that C*nstable" :wasntme:
and got an invitation to go down to the station in Victoria St and get my kidneys re-arranged :eek: Eer, no thanks and took off into the "Jungle Room " Aah! Gee I miss the 70's.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

OTOH, I could be completely wrong about what he means. :D

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Nope. Sounds like exactly what I am trying to say.

Happy Days

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Originally Posted by Treads

You seem to be speaking with some experience. I was just wondering what that was?

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I thought my comment about red pen would have given that away.

I spent some time in Japan and actually went looking for a bit of edginess in the the bigger cities because it seemed so strange that it was all so safe at any time of night in any part of town. Unless I got lucky and didn't find any, I can only put it down to a zero tolerance policy on behalf of the police/state/whatever. I can't comment with any authority why it was so safe and peaceful but it was in stark contrast to what I have experienced in my younger years going out in certain parts of Brisbane and Sydney. Would be interesting to know what they they do that is different.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

Here we go again. :)

My impression is that when Joel says the police accept that their job involves some fairly unpleasant things, he just means that it would be unrealistic for them to believe that it will never happen to them.

I don't think he means that they are quite happy for it to occur.

In the same way that a truck driver might say that he accepts that one of the risks of spending so much time on the road is that there is a greater chance that he will be inconvenienced or worse by some car driver who obviously got his licence from a cereal packet. Once again, it doesn't mean he is happy for that to occur.

In that context "accepting it as part of the job" could just mean being aware of the fact that it is a risk you run in that occupation. It doesn't have to mean that you tolerate it or welcome it.

OTOH, I could be completely wrong about what he means. :D

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I should add that I don't think its any more right or wrong.

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Originally Posted by alittlebitconcerned

I spent some time in Japan and actually went looking for a bit of edginess in the the bigger cities because it seemed so strange that it was all so safe at any time of night in any part of town. Unless I got lucky and didn't find any, I can only put it down to a zero tolerance policy on behalf of the police/state/whatever. I can't comment with any authority why it was so safe and peaceful but it was in stark contrast to what I have experienced in my younger years going out in certain parts of Brisbane and Sydney. Would be interesting to know what they they do that is different.

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Wow. I could go of a huge tangent here why it's different in Japan (my wife is Japanese). If you consider the culture of drinking/pubs/fighting/night clubs in Australia. Asians have a couple of extra Genes that mean that metabolize alcohol much faster (40 - 100 times) than Caucasians. It means they get far worse hang overs for one. It's part of the reason they can have alcohol in vending machines in the street and kids don't go near it. Google "Alcohol Flush Reaction". I think it would open up a whole new debate about Asians handling there booze better or worse than others. Out of interest, Aboriginals don't have the 2 genes.

Happy Days

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Originally Posted by vnx205

Here we go again. :)

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What's that supposed to mean?

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Originally Posted by Treads

What's that supposed to mean?

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I formed the impression early on in this thread that Joel was using the term "accept" to mean one thing and that some other posters had assumed that he meant something quite different.

It appeared to me that people didn't really disagree about the role of police or their attitude to their job. It seemed to me that a simple communication problem was causing a low level of antagonism.

Attempts in some posts to resolve the communication difficulties appeared to me to have been unsuccessful. So in my view, all the discussion about what police "accepted" seemed to be going nowhere.

I made the comment about "here we go again" because it seemed to me that we were going to go over the same ground again. I expected the same misunderstanding to continue and the conversation to either go around in circles or else to fuel unnecessary argument.

I don't believe that people had different views on the subject. I thought that all the disagreement was about the meaning of the word "accept". I didn't expect further discussion to clarify things.

That is why I followed the comment with my own interpretation of how the term was being used. I thought I might be able to help avoid what I thought had been unproductive discussion in some earlier posts.

I can see that as other people were not privy to the opinion I had formed about the nature of the problem, That my opening comment might have seemed a bit strange or maybe even antagonistic.

I was trying to be helpful.

From what I know Japanese people, and Asians in general, are raised with a much stronger culture of showing respect to elders, more powerful or important people, bosses etc, as Asian culture is much more vertically organized than our much flatter social structure. This means that, even if you're a crim., you are expected to respect those who should be shown it. Notice that Yakuza usually leave the public alone, for example, and that there are many stories of people leaving wallets on trains and having them returned untouched.
There is also a belief that to behave badly is to bring shame on your family, which is regarded as unacceptable because if a child behaves badly it is seen as showing that the parents have failed to raise the child properly, and the parents would step in and swiftly try to pull the troublesome offspring back into line for the sake of the family's honour. If only our children were raised the same way.
Drunkeness tends to happen in private rather than in public too.
Besides, I think you would find that, as far as nightlife goes, venues would have bouncers who wouldn't hesitate to put troublesome patrons out on their bums, with a little physical encouragement not to come back, and the police would often be quite happy to have the problem solved for them.