Thread: The price of freedom

Their signature on the form that compels them to do whatever it is that is asked of them is what "says" they are willing.

Am I on crazy pills? Do you seriously think that this is not the substance of the commitment that is made?

If you want to see the form you can go look for it yourself. It won't tell you anything you don't want to see. I'm afraid that, as already stated, I'm no longer engaged in service (there it is again). Maybe you can pose your question to someone in uniform as they'll have ready access to such paperwork. I doubt you'd be game.

Note the oath of allegiance says until enlistment finishes, or " until retiring age " which ,I think, is now 54. You can be called back in, in an emergency. Bob I believe the core principle is " according to law"


Commonwealth Consolidated Regulations

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DEFENCE (PERSONNEL) REGULATIONS 2002 - SCHEDULE 2

Oath or affirmation for enlistment of member
(regulation 24)
Part 1 -- Form of oath
I, (insert full name of person) swear that I will well and truly serve Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors according to law, as a member of the
(insert Australian Navy , Australian Army , or Australian Air Force )
(insert
for the period of (number of years) , and any extensions of that period,
or
until retiring age, )
and that I will resist her enemies and faithfully discharge my duty according to law.
SO HELP ME GOD!
(person's signature)

Taken and subscribed before me on (insert date)
(insert signature, name and title of the person before whom the oath is taken and subscribed)
Note: The oath may be taken before an officer of the Navy, Army or Air Force, a Warrant Officer of the Navy or Air Force, a Warrant Officer Class 1 of the Army, a Justice of the Peace, a Commissioner for Affidavits or a Commissioner for Declarations.
Part 2 -- Form of affirmation

I, (insert full name of person) promise that I will well and truly serve Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors according to law, as a member of the
(insert Australian Navy , Australian Army , or Australian Air Force )
(insert
for the period of (number of years) , and any extensions of that period,
or
until retiring age, )
and that I will resist Her enemies and faithfully discharge my duty according to law.
(person's signature)
Made and subscribed before me on (insert date)
(insert signature, name and title of the person before whom the affirmation is made and subscribed)
Note: The affirmation may be made before an officer of the Navy, Army or Air Force, a Warrant Officer of the Navy or Air Force, a Warrant Officer Class 1 of the Army, a Justice of the Peace, a Commissioner for Affidavits or a Commissioner for Declarations.

Originally Posted by goingbush

I think is pretty poor taste that this guys image is being handballed around the internet for political purposes, Does he approve ? probably not.

Wonder how many even know his name and story ?

Lance Cpl. William Kyle Carpenter - the man who threw himself in front of a grenade in Afghanistan to protect his best friend

Kyle Carpenter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good point, and no I don't. Thank you for bringing that up though.
I do now know, and very appropriate to the point of the thread; that around the time he suffered his injuries, I was taking delivery of my 130. So I have a lot to be thankful for, and the point of the post really.

This attitude from Governments is not something new. Allow me to print an extract from the book WEARY, the life of Sir Edward Dunlop, by Sue Ebury.


Chapter one, " beginnings".


"When Weary Dunlop emerged from his 'Long dark night of captivity' in the prison camps on the Burma-Siam railway in August 1945 , he carried with him a tattered packet of papers. Discovery by his former Japanese captors of any one of those closely written sheets of paper would have led to his execution, so detailed and damning were the contents. These papers formed his medical diary , ' maintained simply as a military duty ..in no sense designed for publication...' , and on his return to Australia that October they were consigned to a desk drawer.


For the next forty years this little pile of folded pieces of paper, exercise books, and notebooks was concealed from all but a few. Marriage, a busy surgical practise and an increasingly full public life eased the pain of his War "


Now comes the message,


" But the attitude of successive Governments towards Returned Soldiers and the gradual whittling away of pension benefits from survivors , began to cause him grave disquiet. The diaries time had arrived : surely their publication would focus attention on an aging and increasing incapacitated group of Australians - former prisoners-of-war of the Japanese in World War Two. "


Goingbush, don't think the Kyle Carpenters story is for one side of politics or the other, the message is all about how all colours of government has let down Veterans, here & overseas, since 1918. Kyle would be fighting for his mates, now, as he did then, believe me. BTW, if any one has not read Weary Dunlops' book, grab a copy, you wont regret it, Bob