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    Water from Neighbour's Block - What Would You Do

    A friend of mine has just built a house in northern Canberra that is going to be a rental property. The house is completed and ready to go but the landscaping had not been completed. While the estate agent knows the property is coming onto the market it was not listed but last Friday my mate was told they had tenants and they wanted to move in tomorrow - Thursday. So last Sat was working out what needed to be done, Sunday we started building small retaining walls (all up 24m at .4m high) until stopped by rain. Walls completed Monday, top soil and gardens filled yesterday and today and mulch laid. Spray on grass to be installed on Friday with the OK of the new tenants.

    All good until the thunderstorms this afternoon when much of the topsoil went down the storm water pipes in the yard - water was 1 foot deep.

    In Canberra the law requires all new homes must not allow any water ot leave the property - they usually achieve this by having a few down pipes in the yard that is connected to storm water to drain water off the property.

    The water all came from the neighbours (bogan renters) on the high side of the property. This other house is about 12 months old and had no grass in the backyard which is all concrete and roadbase. The yard storm water pipes on this property are still capped - should have been cut off and a grate installed when their landscaping was completed. The water off this property poured off it like a waterfall and much of the roadbase is now on my mates property.

    The storm water caps were still on my mates property as the landscaping was not complete so he took the off the caps to drain the water from the yard but a lot of the 16m3 of just laid top soil went down the now uncapped three storm water pipes. The base soil is all clay and not much water soaks in.

    My mate is absolutely devastated as we have worked hard over the past few days to get this work done and a lot of it has been wasted. The new tenants will still move in tomorrow but there will now still be a lot of ground work to do that either he will have to pay for of we will have to do again.

    He raised the issue with the bogan neighbour who like most bogans said not his issue as he is renting and couldn't care. For sure it is not his issue, but not an offer to contact the owner or to advise the name of the real estate or owner was made.

    As my mates builder still has to complete a couple of minor issues and has lots of contacts in the govt and knows the builder of the other house, I have suggested to my mate to contact him first thing tomorrow so that contact with the owner can be made to demand action to stop the run-off and maybe a little compensation as the other property does not meet current standards with respect to building run off.

    So what do you think - act of God and take it on the chin or get the owner of the other property to fix the issue. A bit of compensation?

    Oh a lot of this water would have also gone onto the property on the lower side of my mates property though that property is well established and much of the water would have gone down their storm water pipes with minimal damage if any.

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    Not a nice story. If the house above hasn't been completed to required standards then there may be a case, but with something like this I would seek a professionals opinion. You can get a free 1 hour consultation with a Solicitor - I would get your mate to go and see one and have the legal options explained to him.

    I really hope he manages to get it sorted.
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    Not sure how it runs in the ACT Garry, but a workmate has just been thru the same here.. He went to the council, and they visited said neighbour, gave him a period of time to rectify it (which he did), or the council would revisit, complete the job and then charge the owner to cover the repairs/modifications.
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    We had similar issue at our house, our suburb was built in the 70's and all of the on property storm water pipes are 90mm down pipes which get squashed flat over time, so no storm water goes thru the pipes. Soon after we moved in I approached the owner upside and he told me where to go.
    A little later we had to replace the retaining wall between the properties as it was 35 years old and only timber. Again talked to them and they weren't going to come to the party and said it wasn't their problem.
    So when I replaced it I went to the full 1m allowed without an engineers certificate rather than the 700mm it needed. He must have done the same to the people at the rear of his property because they also had a much higher retaining wall then they needed. That's where I got the idea from.
    On the plus side for him it keeps his pool topped up.

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    Mate,

    I know the pain.

    I had the same issue in the new southern suburbs 20 years ago.

    The grief is still reverberating....

    Best tell your mate to take the act of god approach, and plant plenty of quick growing water suckers, like hakea, bottle brush and honey myrtle. Photinea are ok too....

    That will have a twofold effect., blocking the view of the bogans, and reducing inrush velocity.

    I am currently on the bus home looking at the full storm water channels, and overflowing dam, and I am sort of dreading what sort of quagmire I will find when I get home. I suppose on the bright side, the ducks will have a pond to paddle in....

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    Its illegal to dam overland water flow. You can direct it, but not dam it.
    We had to put in a gravel pit to satisfy the local council, but the pit had to have an overflow which lets the water run across the lawn into the neigbouring property. The conncil approved this. It told the neigbour to make his own arrangements to improve the drainage to direct the water on his property, but warned him aganst damming it. The usual arrangement is to direct it to the driveway or road.

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    Brisbane obviously has quite different by-laws to Canberra. A council guy came to my place one day to tell me there had been a complaint about my stormwater flooding the house downhill from me and one allotment over. He checked that I had not directed the water directly onto the neighbouring properties which I hadn't. He determined that the water she was complaining about was coming from the next door property directly behind her. This water was quite properly run onto the ground some 10-15 metres from the boundary. Brisbane City Council takes the attitude that water runs downhill and if you live down a slope you have to accept what the good Lord sends you. He told me mine was fine as it was dispersed onto the ground more than the required distance from the boundary. He did advise me to dig a one metre rubble pit with overflow to accept the water and let it disperse some 5 metres or more from the boundary. I have done this. It is a no-no to build a wall or dam to stop the overland flow of water and dam it up on a neighbours property. So your retaining walls at Keperra are quite illegal and the neighbour is entitled to make holes or whatever to send your water to you.
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    Thanks for those thoughts - something to think about. Compounding the issue is the underlying soil is clay - similar to that that often lines rural dams so very little water soaks into to any depth so on flat ground as this block now is the water just sits in any low spots and the topsoil is like quick sand at the moment.

    It looks like the flooding rain may now hold off for a while so we will fix the yard up and get it seeded next week and with the dampness it should root quickly before the next lot of heavy rain.

    DiscoMick - in new developments here in Canberra, no surface water is allowed to leave a residential block except via the storm water system. In addition to the house storm water pipes there are three storm water inlets in the 128sq m backyard to take any water away from the block into the stormwater system. These are still capped until the final ground level is determined then these are uncapped and cut to ground level etc. The place next door has been completed for 12 months but their pipes are still capped - this combined with no grass has created the run-off issue.

    It would seem you rules in Qld are the opposite.

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    I'm wondering if you have mis-interpreted exactly what your responsibilities are, generally overland flow shouldn't be interrupted, only water from impervious areas (roofs/hard stand areas) is captured and redirected. In most places it is illegal to concentrate the overland flow and direct it onto a neighbours property.

    This document from ACT Urban services seems to support what I have said.
    http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/as...r_brochure.pdf

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    I would be approaching the local authority,its their job to enforce the drainage laws.I would have thought if the appropriate insurance was in place they will cover the cost of the repairs.
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