No they can't, this is one of the fundamentals that should be passed on with cpr instructions on any Australian first aid course.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyonsy
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No they can't, this is one of the fundamentals that should be passed on with cpr instructions on any Australian first aid course.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyonsy
I learn't the opposite. But then I also learn't the lesson of when I am right never back down and be prepared to past the point of reason and sanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
As for this original thread yes it's wrong but I have been the bad guy when the girl turns on you for stepping in so it is hard to judge these days.
Best thing is this situation would have been to quietly ask the girl if she was ok and required assistance and then take it from there.
as a fellow woman, i have beared the brunt of what your daughter experienced, plus a lot worse at the hands of men. i do know know where these individuals get off. when i was workign in my trade (spray painter) i copped a lot of flack especially from older gentleman who thought it was ok to yell at me and tell me that i should be in a kitchen, cooking, cleaning the house, bearing endless children, basically being a servant for said man. then to the other extreme of them expecting me to take my clothes of so they can enjoy a 'show' and perve whilst i wash a car. ive also had the ones who speak to me with no respect. I stand up to these bullys now. not rudely. but politely. i am also learning self defense (being disabled i am vunerable) i never want to experience the abuse i have ever again. so i am well equiped now, physically, mentally, and no douchey man bully can ever scare me, abuse me, do stuff against my will, ever again. being a woman well in a mans world (im into the cool stuff blokes are into with cars, etc) i have been exposed to this a hell of a lot. when i get into disagreements in car places now when i know what im after, and the man treats me like i am stupid, i now politely ask him to go make me a sandwich and take my business elseware or, they laugh, apologize and we carry on with a good business relationship.
i hope your daughter is ok, i lost a lot of confidence in myself thanks to that kind of thing, for a very long time.i also carry mental scars that will never go away. so sending her feel better vibes so that she does not end up feeling how i have. its not just in the bullying world, ive helped the elderly when they have gotten into trouble, when every one else has walked past, i struggle with my own physical stuff, and so many strong people jsut walked on by.
there are good people, and good men out there. i also cannot believe the amount of women who are bullying and attackign men, elderly, etc as well! the world can be such a scary place!
Without trying to take this off topic, you are correct, and they advised us of this during my course last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefenderJim
Provided you are acting in the best interests, and within your capabilities, (not necessarily training) then you are fine.
Quote from Slater & Gordon website:
Let’s be very clear, the law in NSW states very specifically that a good Samaritan cannot be sued while trying to help someone who is injured or at risk of being injured. These protections are spelt out in the Section 57 of the Civil Liability Act.
There are however exceptions if the good Samaritan is drunk or under the influence of drugs.
Good Samaritan laws are designed to protect people who help injured, ill or other people in peril. The laws are intended to reduce the hesitancy of on lookers to assist, for fear of being sued for unintentional injury or wrongful death.
In the case of people coming to the assistance of someone who is drowning, if the good Samaritan is sober, has a basic understanding of what they are doing and exercise reasonable care as they administer CPR then they will be protected by the law.
We all have a moral responsibility to help others who are in trouble.
The two secrets to dealing with this are:
1. Make sure they don't see it coming.
2. If part of a group, make sure that you come across crazier than the maddest mother ****er they have ever found.
Had a guy come in to a place I worked once, threatened the women folk. Even the 7foot crazy Russian wouldn't front him until all 5'10 of me belted him once across the back with a door. Then the crazy came out in the Russian, picked him up. pallet wrapped him to a pallet and drove him down the street and parked him in the middle of the Great Western Hwy at Wentworthville. Then, carefully, drove his car and forked it into the drain out the back.
If you're going to fight back, make sure you don't swing first, but at the same time, don't give them the opportunity for a second go :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by clubagreenie
It saddens me, having sat through law classes, some of the stories of situations where genuine people trying to help have had the book thrown at them because of who the other person is.
I'm not suggesting violent conflict is the answer 100% of the time, but if a situation can't be de-escalated then it's time to stand up for those who can't.
And the biggest meanest SOB in the room will always go down to a swift kick in the balls
I suppose that we all deal with situations in different ways , I'm sorry to hear about your daughter , and can understand why she was so upset , of course this should never of happened ,The sad thing is people don't want to get involved ,not even to protect a young girl on her own . I must come from a different generation ,because I will stand up , and have stood up to people that are abusive , and I'm not afraid , but then that's me ..Jim
depends.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefenderJim
here in australia no, we have a good samaritin act.
in america yes.
and for club a greenie...
I prefer the slow burning fire cracker effect.
just let it roll along then its time to act and then act explosively decisively and as though everything is happening exactly as you wanted it to happen.
And no, they dont.
Guilty Your Honour!
Yes, I've stood aside when things are bad for someone else.....
Ashamed.... NO. Sorry..... YES....... ALIVE......Still.
I've just read this entire thread and whilst I feel for your daughter (I have one too), don't expect that other people who have families and mortgages etc to get involved in something that will threaten everything THEY have.
I know this sounds selfish and perhaps callous, but in these days of drug ****ed idiots etc, no way I'll be jumping into something that may well involve much more than I bargained for.
In my younger years I didn't mind stepping up (hence a broken nose... twice LOL) and yes, the risk of a hiding was there but it's a very different world now. WE never carried knives, WE drank a bit but didn't use things like ICE and yes, there were certain rules in a fight, it was pretty fair and no one died. As I said, very different times and they aren't all good.