Thread: Climate change? what climate change?

my thread was to draw attention to the onset of El Nino.

that it has put a thorn in some peoples feet surprises me.

and as usual some people....and often the same ones , are out to discredit others.

it was put up as a matter of interest not one of conjection.

if some member here feels otherwise , make your position known and dont use forms of innuendo.

Originally Posted by Chucaro

I just read the thread, perhaps is for here were the figures come?

"The sea temperatures are already 1 or 2 degrees above normal, and right along the South American coast, perhaps 2 or 3 degrees above normal," Professor Stone said.

"That's the telltale sign of an early stage to an El Nino event."

Professor Stone says the sub-surface temperature across the central and eastern Pacific is warmer by up to 5 degrees"

Thanks Chucaro. Professor Stone is referring to sea temperatures. I would like to see the supporting article(s) for this statement:

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

All minimum and maximum average temperatures are up by an average of 3*c all over Australia

When I use it as an argument to global warming deniers, they are going to ask me "Where did you get that rubbish from?"
I'd better have an answer.

No you don't, but please don't post remarks as fact that can't be backed up when scrutinised.

I think perhaps you should of written this Andrew..(see red)

I think its important to be clear which is why I'm writing this.

Because anyone can post what they want, and anyone can post an opinion

it bugs me when I open these threads..where everyone is carrying on about backing up your opinion!..
An opinion is just that, how that person sees or takes a situation based on their own experience or findings.
So why should they have back it up, if its their take on whats happening.

An expert opinion is one that I feel should be backed up because its more likely to be seen as fact by the general masses or people that have a layman's opinion.

If you are stating something as fact, then yes you should be able to provide some evidence of what you're saying is fact..
If you cant then it doesn't have to be taken by anyone as fact, and now just gets down graded to just an opinion. so there for stop banging the drum and move on..

for the others demanding the evidence to the fact, if its not put forward again dismiss it as fact except it as just their opinion stop banging the opposing drum and again move on.

I'm not just saying this in regards to this thread but every single thread that has been shut down; because we get in to a cyber war over people making bold statements and then everyone carrying on about proving it...

The threads just become all about producing evidence/proof rather than the topic it self and goes around and around in circles causing people to get more and more frustrated eventually resulting in personal attacks, a whole lot of upset and a thread being shut.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Thanks Chucaro. Professor Stone is referring to sea temperatures. I would like to see the supporting article(s) for this statement:

When I use it as an argument to global warming deniers, they are going to ask me "Where did you get that rubbish from?"
I'd better have an answer.

I do not know that source Mick, only have this one:

Australia in May 2014

Originally Posted by Chucaro

I do not know that source Mick, only have this one:

Australia in May 2014

Excellent work there Chucaro.
Nationally, +1.62 °C, but in South Australia, +3.03 °C.

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

my thread was to draw attention to the onset of El Nino.

that it has put a thorn in some peoples feet surprises me.

and as usual some people....and often the same ones , are out to discredit others.

it was put up as a matter of interest not one of conjection.

if some member here feels otherwise , make your position known and dont use forms of innuendo.

WOW this topic always brings out the best and worst doesn't it! Justifiably, it polarises opinion one way or the other.

The thread was meant to put out an opinion on El Ninio and it's been hijacked to some degree (Guilty your Honour)
I guess my point was that we're ALL entitled to an opinion on absoloutely anything in this world. Its why we live in the country we do, no one gets arrested or tortured for stepping out of the accepted line.

It's been an interesting thread and some discussion of it will no doubt continue over the Wombat campfire in August.... Looking forward to that

Also meant to mention Dullbirds post.

Bloody well done!

THAT is the spirit of a forum such as ours

Originally Posted by wardy1

It's been an interesting thread and some discussion of it will no doubt continue over the Wombat campfire in August.... Looking forward to that

Quite possibly an unseasonally warm Winter Wombat Camp.